Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech
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No doubt there would be a "black" market for disabling and/or distorting such devices.
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You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinOr guns. :) When they first put up the cameras on the light poles to do speeding tickets where I lived in California, after a while some people just shot them. :laugh:
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Yeah, I've read a few stories recently about that. I hear they're being successfully challenged in most cases. And it looks like the OH State Legislature is going to outlaw there use. Glad I no longer live there since 35+ years.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinWhere in OH were you?
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Or guns. :) When they first put up the cameras on the light poles to do speeding tickets where I lived in California, after a while some people just shot them. :laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
LOL. That could result in a much worse charge and punishment than a traffic ticket.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Where in OH were you?
Regards, Nish
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I lived in Columbus when I was a kid.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
I lived in Columbus when I was a kid.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinInteresting. Good to know :-)
Regards, Nish
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LOL. That could result in a much worse charge and punishment than a traffic ticket.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.
Regards, Nish
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So ,communicating with someone and telling them not to break the law when a cop is present is illegal :wtf: Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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If that is true, then that only proves the assertion by many that traffic ticketing is mostly for raising revenue rather than traffic safety. Police Officers then become nothing more than armed tax collectors.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinAll fines are about money, nby definition. Jail time or license suspension would be a deterrent.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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All fines are about money, nby definition. Jail time or license suspension would be a deterrent.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
fines are about money
True, but not all infractions or charges are about raising revenue, like most traffic tickets.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
fines are about money
True, but not all infractions or charges are about raising revenue, like most traffic tickets.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinName one that isn't.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Name one that isn't.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
I'm sure if I were to name one that you'd argue that it's primary purpose is about raising revenue. And I might agree with you if it were a common event like traffic ticketing. But robbing a bank, for instance, is not a common event, at least not with the frequency of traffic tickets. Even some traffic tickets, especially those associated with traffic accidents, are not primarily about raising revenue.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
So ,communicating with someone and telling them not to break the law when a cop is present is illegal :wtf: Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.
No none of this is about that. Ticketing to increase revenue is a direct revenue increase. Thus the government entity gets more money. Corporate jails cost the government more money. More inmates means less money for the government.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
Although it does make sense given the privatisation of jails in the US and the consequent drive to jail people for profit.
No none of this is about that. Ticketing to increase revenue is a direct revenue increase. Thus the government entity gets more money. Corporate jails cost the government more money. More inmates means less money for the government.
In the world of big money, corporations and government agencies - one tends to find that, strangely enough, those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire. I'm sure it's all above board and I am just a cynic...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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In the world of big money, corporations and government agencies - one tends to find that, strangely enough, those working at the top of government agencies often happen to find themselves with places on the boards of those corporations when they retire. I'm sure it's all above board and I am just a cynic...
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
GuyThiebaut wrote:
places on the boards
GuyThiebaut wrote:
above board
So they can just drop right in...
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein -
Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.
Regards, Nish
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*excellent*
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*excellent*
You fast car folks probably need this a little more than us Honda/Toyota drivers. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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Judge rules trucker flashing headlights is free speech[^] I've never done this, but have had others do it to me - not that I was speeding on any of those occasions.
Regards, Nish
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We shall! In the 1980 Idaho State Legislative Session they quasi-adopted (not in full, but sections here & there of) California's then-Traffic Infraction laws and enacted the 1980 Idaho Traffic Infraction Act (TIA). Now, the Idaho Supreme Court (ISC) is authorized via the Idaho Constitution (ICon), Article V, Section 25, (A5-S25) to review law and, if they discover any "defects", can detail those defects and submit them long with a letter to the Governor. The Governor can then, at his/her (we've not had a "her" Gov ... yet) discretion, send that letter and defects onto the Legislature to correct. Seems all fine & well. Keeps things in check, balance of powers between the branches [executive, legislative, judicial]. Oddly, our ICon, Article 2, Section 1 (or A2-S1), calls them not "branch[es]," but "departments," Yet, within the executive branch, they have the various (20+) "departments"; Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Fish & Game, etc. I'll call the 3 "dept" as defined in ICon A2-S1 "branch[es]". A2-S1 also qualifies the separation of exercising power between the branches; basically, one can't do the other's function; e.g., Executive or Judicial can't make laws, Legislative can't enforce, etc. Well, in 1980, the ISC looked at the TIA and found many defects. So much so, they formed a "study committee" made of solely of other lower district judges, their own ISC staff, and others within the Judicial Branch. This committee would go over the TIA with a fine toothed-comb (per se) and write it correctly. OK, this committee had no executive or legislative members a part of it. Solely of the judicial branch. That committee rewrote 60+ pages of law, including adding new law. They did much of this rewrite using ISC staff inside of the ISC building. Now, Article 1 of ICon is the "Declaration of Rights" that "we the people" have retained that the gov't cannot touch (make laws to the contrary). Article 1, Section 7 (A1-S7) reads: The right to a trial by jury shall remain inviolate". In rewriting 60+ pages, that committee (all judicial that they are) included these elements: - That a traffic infraction citation is neither criminal or civil, but a "public offense"; - That "public offenses" will be treated in court like a misdemeanor (that is, the procedure for 'going to court', but (now, get this), unlike a misdemeanor where there is a jury, for infractions "there shall be no right to a trial by jury" (Idaho Code [IC] §49-1502); This judicial committee then sent the 60+ pages to the ISC Justice
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You fast car folks probably need this a little more than us Honda/Toyota drivers. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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;-)
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I'm sure if I were to name one that you'd argue that it's primary purpose is about raising revenue. And I might agree with you if it were a common event like traffic ticketing. But robbing a bank, for instance, is not a common event, at least not with the frequency of traffic tickets. Even some traffic tickets, especially those associated with traffic accidents, are not primarily about raising revenue.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert EinsteinAre you saying that there's a fine for bank robbery? Not jail time? :confused:
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Are you saying that there's a fine for bank robbery? Not jail time? :confused:
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
Yes, there's a fine for bank robbery, in conjunction with jail time.
If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein