Stay Win XP, Why not?
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If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
If this is so obvious please find us some 64 bit drivers for our Mitsubichi Dye Sub printers... And while you're at it how about some drivers for our photo processing equipment, circa 1995 MSDOS drivers which run nicely under Win XP. We have the latest version of the Win XP drivers and the install media. They won't even install on Win 7 or 8.1! Alternatively, you could just send us the $$$'s to buy the latest printers and peripheral equipment. Glad it is so "obvious" to you...
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You obviously have not seen my "system". You're confusing a single "computer" and OS with the peripherals, network, and "other" servers and clients.
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If this is so obvious please find us some 64 bit drivers for our Mitsubichi Dye Sub printers... And while you're at it how about some drivers for our photo processing equipment, circa 1995 MSDOS drivers which run nicely under Win XP. We have the latest version of the Win XP drivers and the install media. They won't even install on Win 7 or 8.1! Alternatively, you could just send us the $$$'s to buy the latest printers and peripheral equipment. Glad it is so "obvious" to you...
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If you can't get the drivers to run natively, then run a virtual machine. I think you've about run out of excuses.
Why would anyone go to the bother of upgrading all their equipment to Win 7 or Win 8 to simply install a Win XP virtual machine and run it when we already have the hardware up and running Win XP. What a stupid, computer geek idea! Have you EVER run a profitable company!?
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Why would anyone go to the bother of upgrading all their equipment to Win 7 or Win 8 to simply install a Win XP virtual machine and run it when we already have the hardware up and running Win XP. What a stupid, computer geek idea! Have you EVER run a profitable company!?
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You said your "XP drivers" won't install under Win 7 / 8. I said they would with a VM. Period. Your rant was not relevant since I did not say you should upgrade.
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Hi. greeting to all!!! First, I must be clear in some points: - I will not show % or certified data, this is my personal feeling from all I know. (real life) - This "article" is planed to thing outside a country and mostly worldwide (that mean we don't live in USA) - I will not talk about which Win version is better or why Win8 sucks or whatever about the OS versions. - Sorry for my english is not as good, and it gets worst when I get emotional! Here I go, after reading a lot of reports and articles from CodeProject and other sources looks like everybody wants us to change from WinXP to Win7 or Win8... a lot of those articles seems surprised because more that 30% of the world is still using WinXP, and as much as I read I feel like those articles are just to scare and force people to buy new hardware and new software... You probably will be asking why not updating to new technology? I will tell you why you want to update if you are just browsing the web or just creating documents, Mozilla and Word97 are still usable for this purpose and also they work better that new technologies that just seems to be abusing and eating resources? (Why should I need Internet and one online account when I just want to write and print an small letter?) Security? no, you don't need that kind of extreme security level when you are in a small businesses or even in you home pc were your mother barely check Facebook, all you need is a good Firewall, a good antivirus and a good Internet browser. To be honest I feel that only big companies (ones that could be targeted by hackers and malicious attacks) should be really worried about the need of this update!!! Let see... those are examples of small business that I believe will never change they hardware and software (unless the hardware dies) - Net Cafes: that place were you pay 1 dollar or less by hour just to browse internet for an hour... - Small Companies: This is related to the company system they use and the amount of free money they can use, a company with 50 PCs, if they need to change all them, lets say 500 USD including the new Windows (and I'm not including Office) that means 25.000 USD just to be updated, but does this update means an increase in production? will they win more money thanks to this change, I think no, they will continue doing the same, and probably will also require to update the company specific software to new technology - Home PCs: I only see 2 kind of people updating they PCs to the new windows: Gamers and Tec addicts (Metro develop
I am staying with XP even at home for 3 reasons. First, cost of upgrading the hardware: Laptop requires at least another gig of RAM; desktop 1, 2 gigs or more; desktop 2 new CPU and so forth. Second, I have consulting clients who are running applications written using Visual Studio 2003. Neither Win 7 nor 8 will allow the installation of VS 2003. Upgrading several hundred thousand lines of VS2003, even to VS2010, is not a trivial undertaking. A third reason is common to many users: older peripheral devices for which there are probably no new drivers, for example: scanner, plotter, CNC machines, and various pieces of RS232 laboratory equipment.
Charles Wolfe C. Wolfe Software Engineering
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You are comparing an operating system with an HTML5 technology, are completely different things. HTML5 works on XP, you can change or install your browser to chrome or firefox.
NKS
HTML5 introduces holes in operating systems The fact that HTML5 runs on XP and XP has no protection against it is the reason.
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For HTML5 I would require it in old machines only maybe for browsing the web, then the responsibility will be lead to the Internet browser you use... If is an old machine probably you are not upgrading the software of that PC that means you will no install new word processors that uses HTML5 (probably the modern applications can't run in that old machines) then HTML5 for desktop apps is not a problem, your desktop just doesn't support html5! and if it's for internet browser or web apps, all the responsibility is in the Internet Browsers you use, the I would better apply your idea to what about Java, M.Flash and Silverlight... that probably will not be supporting winXP in a couple of months.
Desktop apps can leverage HTML5
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Forogar wrote:
Why did I put XP on them and then use them as file servers, you ask?
No, I asked no such thing.
Forogar wrote:
"But XP is no longer supported by Microsoft", you cry!
Nor did I 'cry' anything. I merely made a comment.
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Oh yeah? Well I wasn't talking about you! Nyah, nyah, nyah! I always like to give a mature and reasoned response.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I am staying with XP even at home for 3 reasons. First, cost of upgrading the hardware: Laptop requires at least another gig of RAM; desktop 1, 2 gigs or more; desktop 2 new CPU and so forth. Second, I have consulting clients who are running applications written using Visual Studio 2003. Neither Win 7 nor 8 will allow the installation of VS 2003. Upgrading several hundred thousand lines of VS2003, even to VS2010, is not a trivial undertaking. A third reason is common to many users: older peripheral devices for which there are probably no new drivers, for example: scanner, plotter, CNC machines, and various pieces of RS232 laboratory equipment.
Charles Wolfe C. Wolfe Software Engineering
A tip: I use to have your same issue with VS 2005 and 2008 for windows mobile development... if you need to install it on a win7 pc, first intall Win XP mode (it's a legal WinXP SP3 image), then you can run XP in Virtual machine or run the application in XP mode. I know, it's a little stupid to lose resources runing a virtual machine but at least your will be able to run Visual Studio. (that PC must be 8GB ram or more for better performance)
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If Win 7 and 8 "don't have the drivers", then you can install them yourself. You can retrieve them from your "other" OS if you don't have the distribution media. And while Win 7 and 8 will upgrade any drivers it does have (possibly to an incompatible level), if you first install the older drivers and then "roll them back" when they are upgraded, then you are back in business. I thought this was "obvious".
nop, there are a lot of old good hardware that is not supported in new Windows versions... (a lot of industrial specialiced hardware!!!) you can blame the manufacturer of the hardware for not upgrading the drivers but it's the same case of winXP not being supported anymore, the manufacturer want's you to buy the new hardware without reason, your old hardware still productive!!! (you can't imgine how productive are those old Matrix Printers, you can also use Carbon paper!!!!)
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If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job).
dude! that is not an upgrade today, if that hardware fails in a year your friend can hava a bad day trying to get parts... also, a pc with that spects (used) will cost like 200 USD due import taxes, plus antivirus, office and your compant software, that will require time and money!!! but I agree that options exist... some recomend to move to linux or like... (I don't the time that will require just to teach the users will cost more that just buying new windows pcs... Time is money!)
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If you are using "cost" as a reason not to upgrade, here's a small "fact". It would not cost "$500" per PC to upgrade. Just this week I was doing some research for a relative who was looking to "upgrade". Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job). (I personally own a "refurb" that I bought in 2004 and is still running .... XP ... that I use for version testing). Now, if you just wanted a copy of Windows 7, the price is about the same!
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Without too much difficulty I found refurbished PC's: 2GB RAM; 80GB hard drive; 2.4 GHz processor; with Windows 7 installed; for $99. (I would just add the other PC's hard drive as drive "D" to save on "conversion costs" .... a 5 minute job).
dude! that is not an upgrade today, if that hardware fails in a year your friend can hava a bad day trying to get parts... also, a pc with that spects (used) will cost like 200 USD due import taxes, plus antivirus, office and your compant software, that will require time and money!!! but I agree that options exist... some recomend to move to linux or like... (I don't, the time that will require just to teach the users will cost more that just buying new windows pcs... Time is money!)
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If it is dead, no longer sold, no source-code, not supported- then you NEEDED to upgrade. Anyone who hasn't should not be allowed to administer a network. That includes the idiots in the government that also said that upgrading "wasn't required".
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I do not agree, there are many situations where this is not possible. for example: companies that have machines dedicated to specific tasks with specific hardware windows xp and in these cases an upgrade involves changing the hardware of the machine, new drivers ... the price is too high to upgrade and certain machines can pass $ 100,000 or more per machine. A real example set in the company where I work, we still have machines running Windows 98, they only communicate via RS232. They are fast and working smoothly, maintenance is minimal and inexpensive, an upgrade in this case is a waste of money since it costs almost as much as buying a new one. The company has the top technology but in certain situations it is not profitable. I just agree to domestic users and even then there are still cases that this is a waste of money.
NKS
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HTML5 introduces holes in operating systems The fact that HTML5 runs on XP and XP has no protection against it is the reason.
You're only seeing users who have internet at home, but that users are a minority compared to companies. In large and medium-sized businesses, the internet is controlled by a firewall and other software as sharepoint. In these cases all accesses are controlled. Computers in domain in these companies do not have access to install or run software unauthorized private applications. Everything is controlled. Employees only have access to work sites and not to external sites such as facebook.
NKS
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A tip: I use to have your same issue with VS 2005 and 2008 for windows mobile development... if you need to install it on a win7 pc, first intall Win XP mode (it's a legal WinXP SP3 image), then you can run XP in Virtual machine or run the application in XP mode. I know, it's a little stupid to lose resources runing a virtual machine but at least your will be able to run Visual Studio. (that PC must be 8GB ram or more for better performance)
Thanks for the information. When I manage to upgrade the hardware, I'll give it a try.
Charles Wolfe C. Wolfe Software Engineering
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You're only seeing users who have internet at home, but that users are a minority compared to companies. In large and medium-sized businesses, the internet is controlled by a firewall and other software as sharepoint. In these cases all accesses are controlled. Computers in domain in these companies do not have access to install or run software unauthorized private applications. Everything is controlled. Employees only have access to work sites and not to external sites such as facebook.
NKS
A firewall doesn't protect against HTML, it passes through it without a second thought Everything is controlled said the major company that was about to be hacked. A group policy computer in a controlled environment doesn't ensure 0 undesired software makes its way onto the machine. XP is a walk in the park. Also software doesn't even need to get directly on the machine to be an issue. If any resources over a intranet access updated code it opens the local machine up to a hacker like their connected via VPN