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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    #105

    PIEBALDconsult wrote:

    Try writing an event that returns a value in VB

    How do you do that in C# that you can't do in VB?

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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             Catch
              End Try
          Next
      Catch
      End Try
      

      End Sub

      A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
      I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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      F Xaver
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      #106

      I wouldn't write such empty Try's but.... still I like it over this here ^^

              }
           }
        }
      

      }
      }

      and this things aint better...

          } //For
      } //If
      

      } //Try

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

        Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
        Try
        AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

            For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                Try
                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                        (
                            New Image With
                            {
                                .Height = 150,
                                .Width = 150,
                                .Source = RotateStream \_
                                (
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                )
                            }
                        )
                Catch
                End Try
            Next
        Catch
        End Try
        

        End Sub

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        Chris Quinn
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        #107

        As I frequently say - it's not the tool that is used that's the problem, but the tool that uses it.

        ========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================

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        • F F Xaver

          I wouldn't write such empty Try's but.... still I like it over this here ^^

                  }
               }
            }
          

          }
          }

          and this things aint better...

              } //For
          } //If
          

          } //Try

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          SortaCore
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          #108

          I gotta say, I start commenting when there's about 5 or so - generally function, loop, try, subloop, try... a quick phrase about what's being looped or what scope the exceptions are.

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          • C Colborne_Greg

            No the problem is when one error exists it kills the loop half way through, this code is only run to display results on the GUI, so not only do I not want it to fail for one error, I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error. I am only unidex the only errors that get through to a client are typos, such as bad filenames

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            Lost User
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            #109

            Colborne_Greg wrote:

            so not only do I not want it to fail for one error

            It's wrong. If there's an unexpected error, then the loop should break. That's always better than hiding the exceptions.

            Colborne_Greg wrote:

            I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error.

            You cannot be bothered to check your own code if it reports an error. I would recommend your users to make backups. Very frequent.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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            • C Colborne_Greg

              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
              Try
              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                      Try
                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                              (
                                  New Image With
                                  {
                                      .Height = 150,
                                      .Width = 150,
                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                      (
                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                      )
                                  }
                              )
                      Catch
                      End Try
                  Next
              Catch
              End Try
              

              End Sub

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              glennPattonWork3
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              #110

              No, for the love of something NO! It makes writing code easier for those that don't write code. It only exists as some one else pointed out (probably) in reaction to Borland's Delphi (Object Pascal) MS needed to make there Basic compiler have similar features to compete! Bad programmers can write bad code in any language, the language makes it easier (VB) compare to another (C#) but they compile to the same byte code, you can't tell the difference! :)

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                damn

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                Adam Tibi
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                #111

                Haha :)

                Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  BobJanova wrote:

                  doing nothing but a bunch of calls to lineTo, moveTo, setBitmapFill etc, and (imo anyway) not having "e.graphics." on every line makes that clearer

                  Howsabout writing a function then? Now I'm wondering wether or not an anomymous function would do that...

                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                  BobJanova
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #112

                  The minimum you can have without with would be g.lineTo(), g.moveTo() etc.

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                  • C Colborne_Greg

                    VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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                    BobJanova
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                    #113

                    It does not fail in C#.

                    class DataObj {
                    public int Height { get; set; }
                    }

                    class Starter {
                    public static void Main() {
                    int Height = 23;
                    DataObj obj = new DataObj { Height = Height };
                    System.Console.WriteLine("Set to " + obj.Height);
                    }
                    }

                    Compiles without warnings and gives the right answer. Once again, if you're going to make concrete statements about what is or isn't possible in a language, you need to check whether that statement is accurate first.

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                    • C Colborne_Greg

                      I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                      Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                      Try
                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                          For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                              Try
                                  AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                      (
                                          New Image With
                                          {
                                              .Height = 150,
                                              .Width = 150,
                                              .Source = RotateStream \_
                                              (
                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                              )
                                          }
                                      )
                              Catch
                              End Try
                          Next
                      Catch
                      End Try
                      

                      End Sub

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                      Adam Tibi
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                      #114

                      You hang on there my friend and protect our beloved language. I used to be a VB.NET developer back in 2002 then I've seen the light (that would be C#), this is because I played with VB5 and VB6 during high school, because I played with QBasic during my early high school... C# pays more and is more respected by developers and generally the code written in C# tends to be higher quality as the VB.NET code tends to be written by old school guys with less OOP experience than those of C# (I am saying "tends" not all). Advice, move to C#

                      Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.

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                      • C Colborne_Greg

                        I would not hire you sorry. The reason you can not use the with operator in such a fashion is scope

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                        Ziad Elmalki
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                        #115

                        This is hilarious. This guy is straight out of dailywtf.

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                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                          its not a with block

                          It's an object initializer, which is fully supported in C#, without needing an extra keyword. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384062.aspx[^]


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                          dave dolan
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                          #116

                          You sir, win the internet.

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                          • C Colborne_Greg

                            My employee cost vs performance says otherwise

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                            dave dolan
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                            #117

                            Really? You have accurate data comparing those using 'with blocks' to those without? Those with C experience to those without? Those who know what a stack frame is compared to those who barely understand what a stack data structure is? Calls inside a 'with block' can either be accessing properties or local variables and it isn't immediately obvious which it is. You have to look up the page to see. Also, you're suppressing exceptions, which, if you're talking about cost of development, means your debugging cycle is a lot more intense because it doesn't blow up when something goes wrong.

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                            • A Adam Tibi

                              You hang on there my friend and protect our beloved language. I used to be a VB.NET developer back in 2002 then I've seen the light (that would be C#), this is because I played with VB5 and VB6 during high school, because I played with QBasic during my early high school... C# pays more and is more respected by developers and generally the code written in C# tends to be higher quality as the VB.NET code tends to be written by old school guys with less OOP experience than those of C# (I am saying "tends" not all). Advice, move to C#

                              Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.

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                              KLPounds
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                              #118

                              I think the OP needs some credit.. The intestinal fortitude required to even try to hold dialog favoring VB in anyway here is incredible. VB is my first language, partly because I've grown up my whole life under BASIC.. Partly because my first professional programming job was to convert VB6 to VB.NET and nearly every job since has required VB in one way or another. Who am I to question my employer on the politics of language? Who am I do judge my employer based on their chosen language? I pulled the trigger and learned C# and have projects I still maintain. Its different, but it works and it makes me more marketable to be able to work in both. Right now, VB.NET is the required language and is what pays my bills. When it comes to new projects where language isn't a requirement I find that any classic WinForm or windows service projects stay in VB but I aim to use C# for anything else if possible. Is C# still "the better language" if my code pattern mimics VB.NET concepts? Of course, regardless of right or wrong, it's still not VB. Is VB.NET any better of a language if my code pattern mimics C# concepts? Doubtful, because it's still VB.. I don't buy into this culture.

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                              • B BobJanova

                                The minimum you can have without with would be g.lineTo(), g.moveTo() etc.

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                                PIEBALDconsult
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #119

                                Yep, looks good to me.

                                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Really? You have accurate data comparing those using 'with blocks' to those without? Those with C experience to those without? Those who know what a stack frame is compared to those who barely understand what a stack data structure is? Calls inside a 'with block' can either be accessing properties or local variables and it isn't immediately obvious which it is. You have to look up the page to see. Also, you're suppressing exceptions, which, if you're talking about cost of development, means your debugging cycle is a lot more intense because it doesn't blow up when something goes wrong.

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                                  Colborne_Greg
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #120

                                  The entire difference between C# and VB are involved in that factoring, suppressing exceptions is not an acceptable thing for my employee's to do, suppressing exceptions happens by my efficiency team; who decided that at this moment didn't need to know the error. In visual basic with block

                                          With CameraControl.LastKnownTaken
                                              DateTakenBlock.Text = .DateTaken
                                              FileNameBlock.Text = .FileName
                                              LatitudeBlock.Text = .Latitude
                                              LongitudeBlock.Text = .Longitude 
                                          End With 
                                  

                                  notice the period, if you cant figure out that the words with a period before them belong to the with block I wouldn't hire you

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                                  • A Adam Tibi

                                    You hang on there my friend and protect our beloved language. I used to be a VB.NET developer back in 2002 then I've seen the light (that would be C#), this is because I played with VB5 and VB6 during high school, because I played with QBasic during my early high school... C# pays more and is more respected by developers and generally the code written in C# tends to be higher quality as the VB.NET code tends to be written by old school guys with less OOP experience than those of C# (I am saying "tends" not all). Advice, move to C#

                                    Make it simple, as simple as possible, but not simpler.

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                                    Colborne_Greg
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                                    #121

                                    Visual basic 2013 is better then C#

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                                    • B BobJanova

                                      It does not fail in C#.

                                      class DataObj {
                                      public int Height { get; set; }
                                      }

                                      class Starter {
                                      public static void Main() {
                                      int Height = 23;
                                      DataObj obj = new DataObj { Height = Height };
                                      System.Console.WriteLine("Set to " + obj.Height);
                                      }
                                      }

                                      Compiles without warnings and gives the right answer. Once again, if you're going to make concrete statements about what is or isn't possible in a language, you need to check whether that statement is accurate first.

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                                      Colborne_Greg
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                                      #122

                                      As I have learned but there is no period before either height so now the reader of the code has to guess at the scope of the object Real genius

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                                      • G glennPattonWork3

                                        No, for the love of something NO! It makes writing code easier for those that don't write code. It only exists as some one else pointed out (probably) in reaction to Borland's Delphi (Object Pascal) MS needed to make there Basic compiler have similar features to compete! Bad programmers can write bad code in any language, the language makes it easier (VB) compare to another (C#) but they compile to the same byte code, you can't tell the difference! :)

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                                        Colborne_Greg
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #123

                                        People that don't already write code are -cheaper per hour -easier to train -get the job done faster -get the job done without added flare -almost half the cost overall as other programmers -they write in full words (no bad habits)

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                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          so not only do I not want it to fail for one error

                                          It's wrong. If there's an unexpected error, then the loop should break. That's always better than hiding the exceptions.

                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error.

                                          You cannot be bothered to check your own code if it reports an error. I would recommend your users to make backups. Very frequent.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                          Colborne_Greg
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #124

                                          This is only for displaying data. Apparently you want the user to wait for typos for each action, instead for a daily report of problems you are not god, you do not know every angle to program.

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