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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    Then catch the DB errors and rethrow the rest.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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    Colborne_Greg
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    #76

    I'm not using SQL

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    • S Simon_Whale

      No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

      New image With
      {
      .height = height
      }

      C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

      new image { height = this.height }

      Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON

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      Colborne_Greg
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      #77

      So now instead of with I need this. And I would have to write this over and over and over

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      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

        No it wouldn't.


        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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        Colborne_Greg
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        #78

        VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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        • C Colborne_Greg

          I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

          Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
          Try
          AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

              For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                  Try
                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                          (
                              New Image With
                              {
                                  .Height = 150,
                                  .Width = 150,
                                  .Source = RotateStream \_
                                  (
                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                  )
                              }
                          )
                  Catch
                  End Try
              Next
          Catch
          End Try
          

          End Sub

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          gardnerp
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          #79

          It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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          • M mikepwilson

            "with" isn't particularly unique or interesting. There's a lot of functionality in a few lines. But you can stack up languages like cordwood that have lambdas, currying and/or templating features that would reduce the footprint of that code far more. It's awesome to be excited about a language. Lord knows I've spent most of the last 40 years that way. But do yourself a favor, take this post and put it in a calendar item marked 5 years from now and come back and look at it then. Visual Basic has come a long way since the VB3 days. But it's a very very long way away from winning awards for elegance.

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            Colborne_Greg
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            #80

            The unique part about the with; is that it is simple - easy to learn, little if no problems to overcome just by using the structure.

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            • C Colborne_Greg

              Advertising your other post is spam

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              Richard Deeming
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              #81

              No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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              • G gardnerp

                It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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                Colborne_Greg
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                #82

                the try catches were not suppose to be illustrated as a bonus, and a laziness on my part, but intentional with how my code works

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                • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                  No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                  Colborne_Greg
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                  #83

                  In my defense I got this exact post 3 times without validating you only posted it once

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                  • C Colborne_Greg

                    VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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                    Richard Deeming
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #84

                    Colborne_Greg wrote:

                    second one fails

                    No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                    using System;

                    public class Program
                    {
                    public static void Main()
                    {
                    int height = 100;
                    var image = new Image { height = height };
                    Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                    }
                    }

                    public class Image
                    {
                    public int height { get; set; }
                    }

                    Output: The image's height is 100.


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                      Colborne_Greg wrote:

                      second one fails

                      No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                      using System;

                      public class Program
                      {
                      public static void Main()
                      {
                      int height = 100;
                      var image = new Image { height = height };
                      Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                      }
                      }

                      public class Image
                      {
                      public int height { get; set; }
                      }

                      Output: The image's height is 100.


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      Colborne_Greg
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                      #85

                      damn

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                      • C Colborne_Greg

                        What problem? People with less skill are more focused on getting the job done, then writing cool useless code.

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                        OriginalGriff
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                        #86

                        The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

                        Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          #87

                          What's the problem?

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            What about that can't be done in C#? :confused:

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            Lost User
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                                   Catch
                                    End Try
                                Next
                            Catch
                            End Try
                            

                            End Sub

                            A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                            I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                            • C Colborne_Greg

                              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                              Try
                              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                      Try
                                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                              (
                                                  New Image With
                                                  {
                                                      .Height = 150,
                                                      .Width = 150,
                                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                      (
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                      )
                                                  }
                                              )
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                  Next
                              Catch
                              End Try
                              

                              End Sub

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                              PIEBALDconsult
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                              #89

                              Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

                              You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

                                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                                Colborne_Greg
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                                My employee cost vs performance says otherwise

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  Yes. And I really don't like that Extension Methods require the using directive. Very powerful are aliases though. Recently I used an alias to resolve a namespace conflict, rather than have globall:: scattered throughout some code:

                                  namespace PIEBALD.Data.MySql
                                  {
                                  using MySqlClient=global::MySql.Data.MySqlClient ;

                                  public sealed class DatabaseInfo : PIEBALD.Data.DatabaseInfo<MySqlClient.MySqlDbType>

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Colborne_Greg
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                                  #91

                                  Thank God I don't need SQL anymore. I use Unidex which I wrote in Visual basic ;)

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                    Colborne_Greg
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                                    #92

                                    Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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                                    • C Colborne_Greg

                                      Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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                                      PIEBALDconsult
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                                      #93

                                      Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                                      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                               Catch
                                                End Try
                                            Next
                                        Catch
                                        End Try
                                        

                                        End Sub

                                        A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                                        The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                        I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                                        Colborne_Greg
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                                        #94

                                        Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                          Colborne_Greg
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #95

                                          No I haven't, I've only seen declaring memory and other basic functions which all were the exact same as C#

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