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  • S Simon_Whale

    No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

    New image With
    {
    .height = height
    }

    C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

    new image { height = this.height }

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    Colborne_Greg
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    #77

    So now instead of with I need this. And I would have to write this over and over and over

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    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

      No it wouldn't.


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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      Colborne_Greg
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      #78

      VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

        Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
        Try
        AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

            For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                Try
                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                        (
                            New Image With
                            {
                                .Height = 150,
                                .Width = 150,
                                .Source = RotateStream \_
                                (
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                )
                            }
                        )
                Catch
                End Try
            Next
        Catch
        End Try
        

        End Sub

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        gardnerp
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        #79

        It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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        • M mikepwilson

          "with" isn't particularly unique or interesting. There's a lot of functionality in a few lines. But you can stack up languages like cordwood that have lambdas, currying and/or templating features that would reduce the footprint of that code far more. It's awesome to be excited about a language. Lord knows I've spent most of the last 40 years that way. But do yourself a favor, take this post and put it in a calendar item marked 5 years from now and come back and look at it then. Visual Basic has come a long way since the VB3 days. But it's a very very long way away from winning awards for elegance.

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          Colborne_Greg
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          #80

          The unique part about the with; is that it is simple - easy to learn, little if no problems to overcome just by using the structure.

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          • G gardnerp

            It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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            Colborne_Greg
            wrote on last edited by
            #81

            the try catches were not suppose to be illustrated as a bonus, and a laziness on my part, but intentional with how my code works

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            • C Colborne_Greg

              Advertising your other post is spam

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              Richard Deeming
              wrote on last edited by
              #82

              No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


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              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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              • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                Colborne_Greg
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                #83

                In my defense I got this exact post 3 times without validating you only posted it once

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                • C Colborne_Greg

                  VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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                  Richard Deeming
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #84

                  Colborne_Greg wrote:

                  second one fails

                  No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                  using System;

                  public class Program
                  {
                  public static void Main()
                  {
                  int height = 100;
                  var image = new Image { height = height };
                  Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                  }
                  }

                  public class Image
                  {
                  public int height { get; set; }
                  }

                  Output: The image's height is 100.


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                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                    Colborne_Greg wrote:

                    second one fails

                    No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                    using System;

                    public class Program
                    {
                    public static void Main()
                    {
                    int height = 100;
                    var image = new Image { height = height };
                    Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                    }
                    }

                    public class Image
                    {
                    public int height { get; set; }
                    }

                    Output: The image's height is 100.


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                    Colborne_Greg
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                    #85

                    damn

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                    • C Colborne_Greg

                      What problem? People with less skill are more focused on getting the job done, then writing cool useless code.

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      #86

                      The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                        #87

                        What's the problem?

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                          What about that can't be done in C#? :confused:

                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                          Lost User
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                          #88
                                 Catch
                                  End Try
                              Next
                          Catch
                          End Try
                          

                          End Sub

                          A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                          The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                          I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                          • C Colborne_Greg

                            I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                            Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                            Try
                            AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                    Try
                                        AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                            (
                                                New Image With
                                                {
                                                    .Height = 150,
                                                    .Width = 150,
                                                    .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                    (
                                                        Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                        Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                    )
                                                }
                                            )
                                    Catch
                                    End Try
                                Next
                            Catch
                            End Try
                            

                            End Sub

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            #89

                            Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

                              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                              Colborne_Greg
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                              #90

                              My employee cost vs performance says otherwise

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                              • P PIEBALDconsult

                                Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

                                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                Colborne_Greg
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                                #91

                                Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  Yes. And I really don't like that Extension Methods require the using directive. Very powerful are aliases though. Recently I used an alias to resolve a namespace conflict, rather than have globall:: scattered throughout some code:

                                  namespace PIEBALD.Data.MySql
                                  {
                                  using MySqlClient=global::MySql.Data.MySqlClient ;

                                  public sealed class DatabaseInfo : PIEBALD.Data.DatabaseInfo<MySqlClient.MySqlDbType>

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Colborne_Greg
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                                  #92

                                  Thank God I don't need SQL anymore. I use Unidex which I wrote in Visual basic ;)

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                                  • C Colborne_Greg

                                    Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #93

                                    Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                             Catch
                                              End Try
                                          Next
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                      

                                      End Sub

                                      A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                                      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                      I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                                      Colborne_Greg
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #94

                                      Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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                                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                                        Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                                        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                        Colborne_Greg
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #95

                                        No I haven't, I've only seen declaring memory and other basic functions which all were the exact same as C#

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                                        • C Colborne_Greg

                                          Most of that code is autocompleted also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

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                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                                          Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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