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  • S Simon_Whale

    Sorry as Bob has pointed out, this sort of argument needs more research. many have also pointed out from the .net framework that C# doesn't need the With keyword. There are many other keywords if you looked and were pedantic enough C# doesn't use but slight change / merge of keywords you could achieve the same thing. relax and enjoy the lounge they don't really care what language you code in.

    Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON

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    Colborne_Greg
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    VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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    • K Kenneth Haugland

      With his pants on fire :laugh: I read somewhere that there are things that VB can do and C# can't an vice versa though... Think it had something to do with Errorhandling ?

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      Duncan Edwards Jones
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      Inline XML? Does C# have that yet?

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        6 years of school, granted my studies are out of date by 5 years

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        mikepwilson
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        "with" isn't particularly unique or interesting. There's a lot of functionality in a few lines. But you can stack up languages like cordwood that have lambdas, currying and/or templating features that would reduce the footprint of that code far more. It's awesome to be excited about a language. Lord knows I've spent most of the last 40 years that way. But do yourself a favor, take this post and put it in a calendar item marked 5 years from now and come back and look at it then. Visual Basic has come a long way since the VB3 days. But it's a very very long way away from winning awards for elegance.

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          VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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          Simon_Whale
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          #69

          No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

          New image With
          {
          .height = height
          }

          C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

          new image { height = this.height }

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          • L Lost User

            Are you still opposed to using (the namespace one, not the disposing one or the alias one) as well?

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Yes. And I really don't like that Extension Methods require the using directive. Very powerful are aliases though. Recently I used an alias to resolve a namespace conflict, rather than have globall:: scattered throughout some code:

            namespace PIEBALD.Data.MySql
            {
            using MySqlClient=global::MySql.Data.MySqlClient ;

            public sealed class DatabaseInfo : PIEBALD.Data.DatabaseInfo<MySqlClient.MySqlDbType>

            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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            • D Duncan Edwards Jones

              Inline XML? Does C# have that yet?

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              Kenneth Haugland
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              Don't know...

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              • C Colborne_Greg

                When dealing with a database, sometimes there are bad records. I meant for these try catches to be this way, as I don't care at this point why there would be problems in the data, all other errors are handled.

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                Jorgen Andersson
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                Then catch the DB errors and rethrow the rest.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                • C Colborne_Greg

                  That code would fail as the scopes would be confused

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                  Richard Deeming
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                  No it wouldn't.


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                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                  • C Colborne_Greg

                    this message is spam

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                    Richard Deeming
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                    Colborne_Greg wrote:

                    this message is spam

                    OK, at least you're being honest about it. As requested, I've reported your message as spam. Happy now? ;P


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                      Colborne_Greg wrote:

                      this message is spam

                      OK, at least you're being honest about it. As requested, I've reported your message as spam. Happy now? ;P


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                      Colborne_Greg
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                      Advertising your other post is spam

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                        Then catch the DB errors and rethrow the rest.

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                        Colborne_Greg
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                        I'm not using SQL

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                        • S Simon_Whale

                          No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

                          New image With
                          {
                          .height = height
                          }

                          C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

                          new image { height = this.height }

                          Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON

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                          Colborne_Greg
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                          So now instead of with I need this. And I would have to write this over and over and over

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                          • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                            No it wouldn't.


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                            Colborne_Greg
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                            VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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                            • C Colborne_Greg

                              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                              Try
                              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                      Try
                                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                              (
                                                  New Image With
                                                  {
                                                      .Height = 150,
                                                      .Width = 150,
                                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                      (
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                      )
                                                  }
                                              )
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                  Next
                              Catch
                              End Try
                              

                              End Sub

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                              gardnerp
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                              It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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                              • M mikepwilson

                                "with" isn't particularly unique or interesting. There's a lot of functionality in a few lines. But you can stack up languages like cordwood that have lambdas, currying and/or templating features that would reduce the footprint of that code far more. It's awesome to be excited about a language. Lord knows I've spent most of the last 40 years that way. But do yourself a favor, take this post and put it in a calendar item marked 5 years from now and come back and look at it then. Visual Basic has come a long way since the VB3 days. But it's a very very long way away from winning awards for elegance.

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                                Colborne_Greg
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                                The unique part about the with; is that it is simple - easy to learn, little if no problems to overcome just by using the structure.

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                                • G gardnerp

                                  It's just not that elegant to have two separate try/catch blocks that completely hide the error and never handle it. And everything you have there can be done in C# as well.

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                                  Colborne_Greg
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                                  the try catches were not suppose to be illustrated as a bonus, and a laziness on my part, but intentional with how my code works

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                                    Advertising your other post is spam

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                                    Richard Deeming
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                                    No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


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                                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      No, posting links to unrelated sites or commercial products is spam. Telling a user that you've already replied to their comments in another post on the same site is not. Falsely accusing other members of posting spam, however, would count as abuse. :suss:


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                                      Colborne_Greg
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                                      In my defense I got this exact post 3 times without validating you only posted it once

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                                      • C Colborne_Greg

                                        VB New image with {.height = height} C# New image {height = height} second one fails

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                                        Richard Deeming
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                                        Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                        second one fails

                                        No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                                        using System;

                                        public class Program
                                        {
                                        public static void Main()
                                        {
                                        int height = 100;
                                        var image = new Image { height = height };
                                        Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                                        }
                                        }

                                        public class Image
                                        {
                                        public int height { get; set; }
                                        }

                                        Output: The image's height is 100.


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                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          second one fails

                                          No, it doesn't. https://dotnetfiddle.net/J0N7Mm[^]

                                          using System;

                                          public class Program
                                          {
                                          public static void Main()
                                          {
                                          int height = 100;
                                          var image = new Image { height = height };
                                          Console.WriteLine("The image's height is {0}.", image.height);
                                          }
                                          }

                                          public class Image
                                          {
                                          public int height { get; set; }
                                          }

                                          Output: The image's height is 100.


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                                          Colborne_Greg
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                                          damn

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