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  • C Colborne_Greg

    its not a with block, "new image with"

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    Richard Deeming
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    Colborne_Greg wrote:

    its not a with block

    It's an object initializer, which is fully supported in C#, without needing an extra keyword. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384062.aspx[^]


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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    • C Colborne_Greg

      its not a with block, "new image with"

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      Pete OHanlon
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      So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

      new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

        Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
        Try
        AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

            For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                Try
                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                        (
                            New Image With
                            {
                                .Height = 150,
                                .Width = 150,
                                .Source = RotateStream \_
                                (
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                )
                            }
                        )
                Catch
                End Try
            Next
        Catch
        End Try
        

        End Sub

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        JMK NI
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        #17

        You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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        • C Colborne_Greg

          no with operator in C#

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          Pete OHanlon
          wrote on last edited by
          #18

          I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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          • J JMK NI

            You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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            Colborne_Greg
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            #19

            That code doesn't fail

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            • C Colborne_Greg

              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
              Try
              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                      Try
                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                              (
                                  New Image With
                                  {
                                      .Height = 150,
                                      .Width = 150,
                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                      (
                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                      )
                                  }
                              )
                      Catch
                      End Try
                  Next
              Catch
              End Try
              

              End Sub

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              Lost User
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              Colborne_Greg wrote:

              Catch End Try

              No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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              • C Colborne_Greg

                I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                Try
                AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                    For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                        Try
                            AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                (
                                    New Image With
                                    {
                                        .Height = 150,
                                        .Width = 150,
                                        .Source = RotateStream \_
                                        (
                                            Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                            Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                        )
                                    }
                                )
                        Catch
                        End Try
                    Next
                Catch
                End Try
                

                End Sub

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                Jorgen Andersson
                wrote on last edited by
                #21

                I totally agree on that most of the complaints about VB is of the immature kind. But one thing I need to give them is the On Error Resume abomination. Which you sadly have emulated with your empty Catch. :sigh: My personal opinion is that since C# and VB.Net is based on the same CLR and the same Framework, most quarrels are just silly. Use what you feel most at home with, but stop being ridiculous about it!

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                • P Pete OHanlon

                  I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                  Colborne_Greg
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #22

                  No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                  • L Lost User

                    Colborne_Greg wrote:

                    Catch End Try

                    No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                    Colborne_Greg
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #23

                    That's just laziness and the expectation that it works 100% of the time

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                    • C Colborne_Greg

                      I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                      Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                      Try
                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                          For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                              Try
                                  AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                      (
                                          New Image With
                                          {
                                              .Height = 150,
                                              .Width = 150,
                                              .Source = RotateStream \_
                                              (
                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                              )
                                          }
                                      )
                              Catch
                              End Try
                          Next
                      Catch
                      End Try
                      

                      End Sub

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                      ZurdoDev
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      I do miss the with operator. I have cases where it could save hundreds of characters and make it way easier to read. Don't listen to the C# purists. :zzz:

                      There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      • P Pete OHanlon

                        I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                        Kenneth Haugland
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #25

                        With his pants on fire :laugh: I read somewhere that there are things that VB can do and C# can't an vice versa though... Think it had something to do with Errorhandling ?

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                        • P Pete OHanlon

                          So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

                          new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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                          Colborne_Greg
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #26

                          I never knew

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                          • P PIEBALDconsult

                            That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            Colborne_Greg
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #27

                            I would say the opposite

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                            • C Colborne_Greg

                              That code doesn't fail

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                              Pualee
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #28

                              What if Pictures is null?

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                              • C Colborne_Greg

                                No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                                PIEBALDconsult
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #29

                                That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  As well there shouldn't be. C# doesn't need it.

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Colborne_Greg
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #30

                                  Considering the missing connection between me knowing C# can get away without using the with word, proves its problems. The with keyword gets the coder in a mindset.

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                                  • Z ZurdoDev

                                    I do miss the with operator. I have cases where it could save hundreds of characters and make it way easier to read. Don't listen to the C# purists. :zzz:

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #31

                                    RyanDev wrote:

                                    and make it way easier to read

                                    I would argue the opposite.

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                    • P Pualee

                                      What if Pictures is null?

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                                      Colborne_Greg
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #32

                                      If pictures is null the memory space creates itself and returns a empty album list

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                                      • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                        See my answer to your other post - you don't need the With operator in C# for object or collection initializers.


                                        "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                        Colborne_Greg
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #33

                                        this message is spam

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          RyanDev wrote:

                                          and make it way easier to read

                                          I would argue the opposite.

                                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                          ZurdoDev
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #34

                                          A lot of people do. I can't understand why, but yes, a lot of people do.

                                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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