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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    Colborne_Greg wrote:

    that no other language can do

    Pretty bold statement, given it's followed by a code block that could easily be converted to C#. ;P


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    Colborne_Greg
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    no with operator in C#

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      With operator

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      Richard Deeming
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      Just because you don't need the extra keyword doesn't mean that C# can't do it:

      new Image
      {
      Height = 150,
      Width = 150,
      Source = RotateStream
      (
      Pictures.Album[AlbumName].Picture,
      Pictures.Album[AlbumName].Angle
      )
      }


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      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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        no with operator in C#

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        Richard Deeming
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        See my answer to your other post - you don't need the With operator in C# for object or collection initializers.


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        • P Pete OHanlon

          I suspect he's talking about the With block. Of course, as the With statement was introduced to fix a defect in VB in the first place...

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          Colborne_Greg
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          its not a with block, "new image with"

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            no with operator in C#

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            As well there shouldn't be. C# doesn't need it.

            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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            • C Colborne_Greg

              its not a with block, "new image with"

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              Simon_Whale
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              and you can do the same in C# without the need for "with" keyword

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              • C Colborne_Greg

                no with operator in C#

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                Dr Walt Fair PE
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                Colborne_Greg wrote:

                fortunately, no with operator in C#

                FTFY

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                Walt Fair, Jr., P. E. Comport Computing Specializing in Technical Engineering Software

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                • C Colborne_Greg

                  its not a with block, "new image with"

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                  Richard Deeming
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                  Colborne_Greg wrote:

                  its not a with block

                  It's an object initializer, which is fully supported in C#, without needing an extra keyword. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384062.aspx[^]


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                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                  • C Colborne_Greg

                    its not a with block, "new image with"

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                    Pete OHanlon
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                    So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

                    new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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                    • C Colborne_Greg

                      no with operator in C#

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                      Pete OHanlon
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                      I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                      • C Colborne_Greg

                        I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                        Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                        Try
                        AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                            For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                Try
                                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                        (
                                            New Image With
                                            {
                                                .Height = 150,
                                                .Width = 150,
                                                .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                (
                                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                )
                                            }
                                        )
                                Catch
                                End Try
                            Next
                        Catch
                        End Try
                        

                        End Sub

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                        JMK NI
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                        You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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                          You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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                          Colborne_Greg
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                          That code doesn't fail

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                          • P Pete OHanlon

                            I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                            Colborne_Greg
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                            #20

                            No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                            • C Colborne_Greg

                              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                              Try
                              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                      Try
                                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                              (
                                                  New Image With
                                                  {
                                                      .Height = 150,
                                                      .Width = 150,
                                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                      (
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                      )
                                                  }
                                              )
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                  Next
                              Catch
                              End Try
                              

                              End Sub

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                              Lost User
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                              Colborne_Greg wrote:

                              Catch End Try

                              No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

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                                I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                                Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                                Try
                                AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                    For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                        Try
                                            AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                                (
                                                    New Image With
                                                    {
                                                        .Height = 150,
                                                        .Width = 150,
                                                        .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                        (
                                                            Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                            Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                        )
                                                    }
                                                )
                                        Catch
                                        End Try
                                    Next
                                Catch
                                End Try
                                

                                End Sub

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                                Jorgen Andersson
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                                I totally agree on that most of the complaints about VB is of the immature kind. But one thing I need to give them is the On Error Resume abomination. Which you sadly have emulated with your empty Catch. :sigh: My personal opinion is that since C# and VB.Net is based on the same CLR and the same Framework, most quarrels are just silly. Use what you feel most at home with, but stop being ridiculous about it!

                                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                                  Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                  Catch End Try

                                  No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                  Colborne_Greg
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                                  #23

                                  That's just laziness and the expectation that it works 100% of the time

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                                  • C Colborne_Greg

                                    I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                                    Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                                    Try
                                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                        For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                            Try
                                                AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                                    (
                                                        New Image With
                                                        {
                                                            .Height = 150,
                                                            .Width = 150,
                                                            .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                            (
                                                                Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                                Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                            )
                                                        }
                                                    )
                                            Catch
                                            End Try
                                        Next
                                    Catch
                                    End Try
                                    

                                    End Sub

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                                    ZurdoDev
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                                    I do miss the with operator. I have cases where it could save hundreds of characters and make it way easier to read. Don't listen to the C# purists. :zzz:

                                    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    • P Pete OHanlon

                                      I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                                      Kenneth Haugland
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #25

                                      With his pants on fire :laugh: I read somewhere that there are things that VB can do and C# can't an vice versa though... Think it had something to do with Errorhandling ?

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                                      • P Pete OHanlon

                                        So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

                                        new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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                                        Colborne_Greg
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #26

                                        I never knew

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                                        • C Colborne_Greg

                                          No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                                          PIEBALDconsult
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                                          That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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