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  • P Pete OHanlon

    I suspect he's talking about the With block. Of course, as the With statement was introduced to fix a defect in VB in the first place...

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    Colborne_Greg
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    its not a with block, "new image with"

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      no with operator in C#

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      As well there shouldn't be. C# doesn't need it.

      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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      • C Colborne_Greg

        its not a with block, "new image with"

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        Simon_Whale
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        and you can do the same in C# without the need for "with" keyword

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        • C Colborne_Greg

          no with operator in C#

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          Dr Walt Fair PE
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          Colborne_Greg wrote:

          fortunately, no with operator in C#

          FTFY

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          • C Colborne_Greg

            its not a with block, "new image with"

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            Richard Deeming
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            Colborne_Greg wrote:

            its not a with block

            It's an object initializer, which is fully supported in C#, without needing an extra keyword. http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb384062.aspx[^]


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            • C Colborne_Greg

              its not a with block, "new image with"

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              Pete OHanlon
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              #16

              So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

              new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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              • C Colborne_Greg

                no with operator in C#

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                Pete OHanlon
                wrote on last edited by
                #17

                I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                • C Colborne_Greg

                  I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                  Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                  Try
                  AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                      For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                          Try
                              AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                  (
                                      New Image With
                                      {
                                          .Height = 150,
                                          .Width = 150,
                                          .Source = RotateStream \_
                                          (
                                              Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                              Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                          )
                                      }
                                  )
                          Catch
                          End Try
                      Next
                  Catch
                  End Try
                  

                  End Sub

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                  JMK NI
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                  You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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                    You can write code that fails completely silently in other languages too :doh:

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                    Colborne_Greg
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                    That code doesn't fail

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                    • P Pete OHanlon

                      I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                      Colborne_Greg
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                      #20

                      No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                      • C Colborne_Greg

                        I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                        Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                        Try
                        AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                            For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                Try
                                    AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                        (
                                            New Image With
                                            {
                                                .Height = 150,
                                                .Width = 150,
                                                .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                (
                                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                    Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                )
                                            }
                                        )
                                Catch
                                End Try
                            Next
                        Catch
                        End Try
                        

                        End Sub

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                        Lost User
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                        #21

                        Colborne_Greg wrote:

                        Catch End Try

                        No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

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                        • C Colborne_Greg

                          I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                          Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                          Try
                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                              For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                  Try
                                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                          (
                                              New Image With
                                              {
                                                  .Height = 150,
                                                  .Width = 150,
                                                  .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                  (
                                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                  )
                                              }
                                          )
                                  Catch
                                  End Try
                              Next
                          Catch
                          End Try
                          

                          End Sub

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          #22

                          I totally agree on that most of the complaints about VB is of the immature kind. But one thing I need to give them is the On Error Resume abomination. Which you sadly have emulated with your empty Catch. :sigh: My personal opinion is that since C# and VB.Net is based on the same CLR and the same Framework, most quarrels are just silly. Use what you feel most at home with, but stop being ridiculous about it!

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                            Colborne_Greg wrote:

                            Catch End Try

                            No, it doesn't need more credit; and your example sums up nicely why VB got that reputation :) Yes, you can swallow exceptions in other languages too, but it doesn't happen as often there as it does in VB.

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                            Colborne_Greg
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                            #23

                            That's just laziness and the expectation that it works 100% of the time

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                            • C Colborne_Greg

                              I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                              Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                              Try
                              AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                  For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                      Try
                                          AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                              (
                                                  New Image With
                                                  {
                                                      .Height = 150,
                                                      .Width = 150,
                                                      .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                      (
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                          Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                      )
                                                  }
                                              )
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                  Next
                              Catch
                              End Try
                              

                              End Sub

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                              ZurdoDev
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #24

                              I do miss the with operator. I have cases where it could save hundreds of characters and make it way easier to read. Don't listen to the C# purists. :zzz:

                              There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                              • P Pete OHanlon

                                I have to say, you walked right into that one.

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                                Kenneth Haugland
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                                #25

                                With his pants on fire :laugh: I read somewhere that there are things that VB can do and C# can't an vice versa though... Think it had something to do with Errorhandling ?

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                                • P Pete OHanlon

                                  So, the same as Auto-initialisation in C# then.

                                  new Image{ Height = 150, Width= 150 }

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                                  Colborne_Greg
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #26

                                  I never knew

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                                  • C Colborne_Greg

                                    No better way to learn. I was told that C# and visual basic are the same language but I can find things in Visual Basic that are not in C# and things in C# that are not in Visual Basic

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #27

                                    That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                                      That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                      Colborne_Greg
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #28

                                      I would say the opposite

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                                      • C Colborne_Greg

                                        That code doesn't fail

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                                        Pualee
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                                        #29

                                        What if Pictures is null?

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          As well there shouldn't be. C# doesn't need it.

                                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                          Colborne_Greg
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #30

                                          Considering the missing connection between me knowing C# can get away without using the with word, proves its problems. The with keyword gets the coder in a mindset.

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