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  • C Colborne_Greg

    What problem? People with less skill are more focused on getting the job done, then writing cool useless code.

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    OriginalGriff
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    The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      What's the problem?

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        What about that can't be done in C#? :confused:

        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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        Lost User
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               Catch
                End Try
            Next
        Catch
        End Try
        

        End Sub

        A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

        The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
        I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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        • C Colborne_Greg

          I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

          Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
          Try
          AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

              For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                  Try
                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                          (
                              New Image With
                              {
                                  .Height = 150,
                                  .Width = 150,
                                  .Source = RotateStream \_
                                  (
                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                      Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                  )
                              }
                          )
                  Catch
                  End Try
              Next
          Catch
          End Try
          

          End Sub

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          #89

          Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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            Colborne_Greg
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            #90

            My employee cost vs performance says otherwise

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

              You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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              Colborne_Greg
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              #91

              Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Yes. And I really don't like that Extension Methods require the using directive. Very powerful are aliases though. Recently I used an alias to resolve a namespace conflict, rather than have globall:: scattered throughout some code:

                namespace PIEBALD.Data.MySql
                {
                using MySqlClient=global::MySql.Data.MySqlClient ;

                public sealed class DatabaseInfo : PIEBALD.Data.DatabaseInfo<MySqlClient.MySqlDbType>

                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                Colborne_Greg
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                Thank God I don't need SQL anymore. I use Unidex which I wrote in Visual basic ;)

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                • C Colborne_Greg

                  Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  #93

                  Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                           Catch
                            End Try
                        Next
                    Catch
                    End Try
                    

                    End Sub

                    A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                    Colborne_Greg
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                    #94

                    Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

                      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                      Colborne_Greg
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                      #95

                      No I haven't, I've only seen declaring memory and other basic functions which all were the exact same as C#

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                      • C Colborne_Greg

                        Most of that code is autocompleted also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

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                        Colborne_Greg wrote:

                        also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                        Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                        • L Lost User

                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                          also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                          Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                          Colborne_Greg
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                          No the problem is when one error exists it kills the loop half way through, this code is only run to display results on the GUI, so not only do I not want it to fail for one error, I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error. I am only unidex the only errors that get through to a client are typos, such as bad filenames

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                          • C Colborne_Greg

                            Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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                            Colborne_Greg wrote:

                            It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive

                            And that's exactly what raises my expectations whenever someone comes with VB.

                            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                            I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                              Colborne_Greg wrote:

                              also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                              Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                              Lost User
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              How often I have seen something like that. And then the criminal who wrote this thinks he's being treated unjustly and exclaims something like "But it always has worked!". And then try to explain to Mr. Pointy Hair that this mess only pretended to work at best, fell flat on its face and was more busy covering it up than anything else at worst, and that looking away will not solve anything or save us one single cent.

                              The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                              I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                              • C Colborne_Greg

                                If pictures is null the memory space creates itself and returns a empty album list

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                                Mycroft Holmes
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                                I think he is referring to the empty catch, it was my first thought. Oh a new version of resume next :laugh:

                                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                • C Colborne_Greg

                                  So now instead of with I need this. And I would have to write this over and over and over

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                                  PIEBALDconsult
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                                  #101

                                  Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                  I need this

                                  Probably not.

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  • S Simon_Whale

                                    No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

                                    New image With
                                    {
                                    .height = height
                                    }

                                    C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

                                    new image { height = this.height }

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    Simon_Whale wrote:

                                    would of have

                                    FTFY new image**()** { Height = Height } In one small test, I see that the this. isn't required, but it seems to confuse the debugger a bit. I prefer to use this. just because.

                                    You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                    • M Mycroft Holmes

                                      I think he is referring to the empty catch, it was my first thought. Oh a new version of resume next :laugh:

                                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                      Colborne_Greg
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                                      #103

                                      He asked what if pictures were null. It's actually a shared class, and this procedure is only for displaying what is in the system.

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                                        Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                        It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive

                                        And that's exactly what raises my expectations whenever someone comes with VB.

                                        The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                        I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                                        Colborne_Greg
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                                        #104

                                        I came from Cobol and JCL, with 25 years of experience. I own a start up software company. Anyone that has C experience or web experience I find are bad employees, they make great leaders, not great employees, unless your business in devoted to C and C type languages, then you probably have 20 programmers to my one.

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                                        • P PIEBALDconsult

                                          That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          #105

                                          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                          Try writing an event that returns a value in VB

                                          How do you do that in C# that you can't do in VB?

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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