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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    The problem is that "people with less skill" assume that a "ooh shiny" language feature is cool at all. With is a PITA - it doesn't improve readability, it obfuscates it slightly and just makes it slightly shorter to type.

    Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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    Colborne_Greg
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    My employee cost vs performance says otherwise

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    • P PIEBALDconsult

      Actually it just got a lot more credit... Swift is Apple's version of VB. :-D

      You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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      Colborne_Greg
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      Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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        Yes. And I really don't like that Extension Methods require the using directive. Very powerful are aliases though. Recently I used an alias to resolve a namespace conflict, rather than have globall:: scattered throughout some code:

        namespace PIEBALD.Data.MySql
        {
        using MySqlClient=global::MySql.Data.MySqlClient ;

        public sealed class DatabaseInfo : PIEBALD.Data.DatabaseInfo<MySqlClient.MySqlDbType>

        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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        Colborne_Greg
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        Thank God I don't need SQL anymore. I use Unidex which I wrote in Visual basic ;)

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          Swift looks like C# almost exactly

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          #93

          Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                   Catch
                    End Try
                Next
            Catch
            End Try
            

            End Sub

            A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
            I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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            Colborne_Greg
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            Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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              Of course my comment is tongue-in-cheek, but you must not have looked at Swift hard enough yet.

              You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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              Colborne_Greg
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              No I haven't, I've only seen declaring memory and other basic functions which all were the exact same as C#

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                Most of that code is autocompleted also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

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                Colborne_Greg wrote:

                also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                  Colborne_Greg wrote:

                  also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                  Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                  Colborne_Greg
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                  No the problem is when one error exists it kills the loop half way through, this code is only run to display results on the GUI, so not only do I not want it to fail for one error, I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error. I am only unidex the only errors that get through to a client are typos, such as bad filenames

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                    Visual basic does not have the closing bracket issue that C# has. It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive, oh look win for VB.

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                    Lost User
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                    Colborne_Greg wrote:

                    It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive

                    And that's exactly what raises my expectations whenever someone comes with VB.

                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                    I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                      Colborne_Greg wrote:

                      also the inside catch is to ensure the loop continues

                      Now you're swallowing 10.000 exceptions in a loop :laugh: After that a "File Saved Succesfull" dialog and pretend nothing ever happened.

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                      Lost User
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                      How often I have seen something like that. And then the criminal who wrote this thinks he's being treated unjustly and exclaims something like "But it always has worked!". And then try to explain to Mr. Pointy Hair that this mess only pretended to work at best, fell flat on its face and was more busy covering it up than anything else at worst, and that looking away will not solve anything or save us one single cent.

                      The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                      I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                        If pictures is null the memory space creates itself and returns a empty album list

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                        Mycroft Holmes
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                        I think he is referring to the empty catch, it was my first thought. Oh a new version of resume next :laugh:

                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          So now instead of with I need this. And I would have to write this over and over and over

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                          I need this

                          Probably not.

                          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                            No as you would of written it like this VB.NET Version

                            New image With
                            {
                            .height = height
                            }

                            C# Version, in the C# version the With Keyword is ommited

                            new image { height = this.height }

                            Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            Simon_Whale wrote:

                            would of have

                            FTFY new image**()** { Height = Height } In one small test, I see that the this. isn't required, but it seems to confuse the debugger a bit. I prefer to use this. just because.

                            You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                              I think he is referring to the empty catch, it was my first thought. Oh a new version of resume next :laugh:

                              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                              Colborne_Greg
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                              He asked what if pictures were null. It's actually a shared class, and this procedure is only for displaying what is in the system.

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                                Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                It makes it easier for people that have less or no skill to be more productive

                                And that's exactly what raises my expectations whenever someone comes with VB.

                                The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                                Colborne_Greg
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                                I came from Cobol and JCL, with 25 years of experience. I own a start up software company. Anyone that has C experience or web experience I find are bad employees, they make great leaders, not great employees, unless your business in devoted to C and C type languages, then you probably have 20 programmers to my one.

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                                  That's what makes C# better than VB. :-D Try writing an event that returns a value in VB. :cool:

                                  You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                                  Jorgen Andersson
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                                  #105

                                  PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                                  Try writing an event that returns a value in VB

                                  How do you do that in C# that you can't do in VB?

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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                                           Catch
                                            End Try
                                        Next
                                    Catch
                                    End Try
                                    

                                    End Sub

                                    A rat's tail of different closing elements instead of some simple closing brackets.

                                    The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                                    I hold an A-7 computer expert classification, Commodore. I'm well acquainted with Dr. Daystrom's theories and discoveries. The basic design of all our ship's computers are JavaScript.

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                                    F Xaver
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                                    I wouldn't write such empty Try's but.... still I like it over this here ^^

                                            }
                                         }
                                      }
                                    

                                    }
                                    }

                                    and this things aint better...

                                        } //For
                                    } //If
                                    

                                    } //Try

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                                      I think that Visual Basic should be shown off for its beauty and elegance. Here is a sample of what it can do - that no other language can do:

                                      Private Sub AlbumListPopulate()
                                      Try
                                      AlbumsList.ItemsSource = New List(Of Image)

                                          For Each AlbumName In Pictures.Albums
                                              Try
                                                  AlbumsList.ItemsSource.Add \_
                                                      (
                                                          New Image With
                                                          {
                                                              .Height = 150,
                                                              .Width = 150,
                                                              .Source = RotateStream \_
                                                              (
                                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Picture,
                                                                  Pictures.Album(AlbumName).Angle
                                                              )
                                                          }
                                                      )
                                              Catch
                                              End Try
                                          Next
                                      Catch
                                      End Try
                                      

                                      End Sub

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                                      Chris Quinn
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                                      As I frequently say - it's not the tool that is used that's the problem, but the tool that uses it.

                                      ========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================

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                                        I wouldn't write such empty Try's but.... still I like it over this here ^^

                                                }
                                             }
                                          }
                                        

                                        }
                                        }

                                        and this things aint better...

                                            } //For
                                        } //If
                                        

                                        } //Try

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                                        SortaCore
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                                        #108

                                        I gotta say, I start commenting when there's about 5 or so - generally function, loop, try, subloop, try... a quick phrase about what's being looped or what scope the exceptions are.

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                                          No the problem is when one error exists it kills the loop half way through, this code is only run to display results on the GUI, so not only do I not want it to fail for one error, I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error. I am only unidex the only errors that get through to a client are typos, such as bad filenames

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                                          Lost User
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                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          so not only do I not want it to fail for one error

                                          It's wrong. If there's an unexpected error, then the loop should break. That's always better than hiding the exceptions.

                                          Colborne_Greg wrote:

                                          I don't want it to waste time trying to figure out anything related to that error.

                                          You cannot be bothered to check your own code if it reports an error. I would recommend your users to make backups. Very frequent.

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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