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  • C Chris Losinger

    i have a couple of image processing fns which input and output BYTEs but need to convert the input to doubles for the internals because even floats run out of precision well within reasonable parameters. i'd love to be able to not have to use 24 bytes per pixel, but...

    image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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    enhzflep
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    Chris Losinger wrote:

    i'd love to be able to not have to use 24 bytes per pixel,

    er, bits? But, as we all know - palletized images suck when it comes to performing any real manipulation on them, since you're stuck with looking-up the 24 bit values anyway. Alpha-blending images with a pallette? :shudder: Uhhhrgh! Please dont make me do that again. Recomputing a new pallete is more effort than the image processing itself.

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      Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

      I wrote a hurricane damage simulator

      I didn't know you worked on Sim City.

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      Mine isn't nearly as accurate. Wind fields in real-life are surprisingly non-deterministic and literally change with the phase of the moon.

      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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        Chris Losinger wrote:

        i'd love to be able to not have to use 24 bytes per pixel,

        er, bits? But, as we all know - palletized images suck when it comes to performing any real manipulation on them, since you're stuck with looking-up the 24 bit values anyway. Alpha-blending images with a pallette? :shudder: Uhhhrgh! Please dont make me do that again. Recomputing a new pallete is more effort than the image processing itself.

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        Chris Losinger
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        no, BYTEs. doubles are 8 bytes each. 3x8 = 24 bytes.

        image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          I can to it with 8 bit integers! It won't be a even slightly accurate simulation, of course, but... :laugh:

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          You find yourself in a small Sailboat 10 miles East of Cuba. There is a Class 5 Hurricane approaching from the South at 10 miles per hour.

          You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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          • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

            Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

            Well, how much precision do you need to say $15 billion (or whatever the number is in billions of dollar?) Marc

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            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

              Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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              Chris Maunder
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              Someone, somewhere, is thinking "I am a hurricane damage simulator".

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                You find yourself in a small Sailboat 10 miles East of Cuba. There is a Class 5 Hurricane approaching from the South at 10 miles per hour.

                You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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                OriginalGriff
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                So, provided I can do 11 mph due north, I'm fine and dandy! (I don't want to go to Cuba today - I don't smoke)

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  So, provided I can do 11 mph due north, I'm fine and dandy! (I don't want to go to Cuba today - I don't smoke)

                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                  Instead of running before a speeding object, I'd recommend stepping aside. Go West.

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                    Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                    Well, how much precision do you need to say $15 billion (or whatever the number is in billions of dollar?) Marc

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                    Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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                    You are not supposed to point out flaws in my argument!

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                      Instead of running before a speeding object, I'd recommend stepping aside. Go West.

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                      Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm. Going west means I need to move faster than running directly away.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm. Going west means I need to move faster than running directly away.

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                        Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                          Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                          There's always something, isn't there? :laugh:

                          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            There's always something, isn't there? :laugh:

                            Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                            Not always, but very often :rolleyes:

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                            • C Chris Losinger

                              no, BYTEs. doubles are 8 bytes each. 3x8 = 24 bytes.

                              image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                              enhzflep
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                              Chris Losinger wrote:

                              but need to convert the input to doubles for the internals

                              :doh: Of course. Must be about time for bed for me... Those images sure do get pretty big, pretty quick, at that rate of memory consumption.

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                Dr Walt Fair PE
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                                I work on stuff where 15 digits is marginally OK, using plenty of trickery.

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                                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                                  Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                                  Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

                                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                  Size!

                                  It does matter apparently!

                                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                  Ah, just a small bug

                                  That's what she said.

                                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    Someone, somewhere, is thinking "I am a hurricane damage simulator".

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    Sean been at the hamsters' sunflower hooch again?

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                                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                      Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                      Sander Rossel
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                                      I'll have my math float away, thank you! :D

                                      It's an OO world.

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                                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                        Mine isn't nearly as accurate. Wind fields in real-life are surprisingly non-deterministic and literally change with the phase of the moon.

                                        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                        Sander Rossel
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                                        Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                        and literally change with the phase of the moon.

                                        So do I! Oh no... It's a full moo OOOOOOOOOOH!!! *Howl*

                                        It's an OO world.

                                        public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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                                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                          Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                          greldak
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                                          Depends what I need to do - for some things I don't need either, others will need precision and also accuracy in which case there's no point getting the wrong answer instantly, others I just need an estimate but I need it quickly

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