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  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

    Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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    Marc Clifton
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    Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

    Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

    Well, how much precision do you need to say $15 billion (or whatever the number is in billions of dollar?) Marc

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    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

      Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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      Chris Maunder
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      Someone, somewhere, is thinking "I am a hurricane damage simulator".

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        You find yourself in a small Sailboat 10 miles East of Cuba. There is a Class 5 Hurricane approaching from the South at 10 miles per hour.

        You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.

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        OriginalGriff
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        So, provided I can do 11 mph due north, I'm fine and dandy! (I don't want to go to Cuba today - I don't smoke)

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          So, provided I can do 11 mph due north, I'm fine and dandy! (I don't want to go to Cuba today - I don't smoke)

          Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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          Instead of running before a speeding object, I'd recommend stepping aside. Go West.

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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            Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

            Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

            Well, how much precision do you need to say $15 billion (or whatever the number is in billions of dollar?) Marc

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            Ennis Ray Lynch Jr
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            You are not supposed to point out flaws in my argument!

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              Instead of running before a speeding object, I'd recommend stepping aside. Go West.

              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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              Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm. Going west means I need to move faster than running directly away.

              Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm. Going west means I need to move faster than running directly away.

                Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                OriginalGriff wrote:

                Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

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                  OriginalGriff wrote:

                  Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                  Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                  OriginalGriff
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                  There's always something, isn't there? :laugh:

                  Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952) Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    There's always something, isn't there? :laugh:

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                    Not always, but very often :rolleyes:

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                    • C Chris Losinger

                      no, BYTEs. doubles are 8 bytes each. 3x8 = 24 bytes.

                      image processing toolkits | batch image processing

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                      Chris Losinger wrote:

                      but need to convert the input to doubles for the internals

                      :doh: Of course. Must be about time for bed for me... Those images sure do get pretty big, pretty quick, at that rate of memory consumption.

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                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                        Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                        Dr Walt Fair PE
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                        I work on stuff where 15 digits is marginally OK, using plenty of trickery.

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                          OriginalGriff wrote:

                          Depends how fast I can move, and the size and initial distance to the storm.

                          Size! ..that's the thing I did not take into account. Ah, just a small bug :laugh:

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                          Mycroft Holmes
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                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                          Size!

                          It does matter apparently!

                          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                          Ah, just a small bug

                          That's what she said.

                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            Someone, somewhere, is thinking "I am a hurricane damage simulator".

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            Nagy Vilmos
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                            Sean been at the hamsters' sunflower hooch again?

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                            • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                              Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                              Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              I'll have my math float away, thank you! :D

                              It's an OO world.

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                              • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                Mine isn't nearly as accurate. Wind fields in real-life are surprisingly non-deterministic and literally change with the phase of the moon.

                                Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote:

                                and literally change with the phase of the moon.

                                So do I! Oh no... It's a full moo OOOOOOOOOOH!!! *Howl*

                                It's an OO world.

                                public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
                                {
                                public void DoWork()
                                {
                                throw new NotSupportedException();
                                }
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                                • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                  Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                  Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                  greldak
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                                  Depends what I need to do - for some things I don't need either, others will need precision and also accuracy in which case there's no point getting the wrong answer instantly, others I just need an estimate but I need it quickly

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                                  • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                    Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                    Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                    Stefan_Lang
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                                    Most of my work, 4 byte floats are too inaccurate. Some of my work, doubles barely suffice. All of my work, speed matters. Conclusion: I need both, and I need it yesterday! ;P

                                    GOTOs are a bit like wire coat hangers: they tend to breed in the darkness, such that where there once were few, eventually there are many, and the program's architecture collapses beneath them. (Fran Poretto)

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                                    • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                      Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                      Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                      Duncan Edwards Jones
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                                      Sometimes you can solve/reduce floating point problems by scaling up - always recording your prices in pennies not dollars for example and your hurricane strength in metric butterflies.

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                                      • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                        Query for all the naysayers ... which would you rather have fast floating point operations or 15 places of accurate precision? Most of my work four places is good enough and I wrote a hurricane damage simulator.

                                        Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        4 base 10 digits would generally be OK if the internal representation was base 10 also. Even with all the digits an IEEE754 64bit float provides, weirdness from the inability to represent 0.1 precisely in binary has an obnoxious habit of leaking into userspace.

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                                        • E Ennis Ray Lynch Jr

                                          Mine isn't nearly as accurate. Wind fields in real-life are surprisingly non-deterministic and literally change with the phase of the moon.

                                          Need custom software developed? I do custom programming based primarily on MS tools with an emphasis on C# development and consulting. "And they, since they Were not the one dead, turned to their affairs" -- Robert Frost "All users always want Excel" --Ennis Lynch

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                                          But phases of the moon are VERY deterministic.

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