Eclipse
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Yeah Eclipse is really bad, always has been and still seems to be judging by my run in with the Android developer toolkit which is based on it. Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me. I recommend IntelliJ's IDEA, I've used that in anger at work and it has a lot of really good stuff. It's where a lot of what is in Resharper comes from.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
And notepad as well.
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?! -- C++ FQA Lite
Notepad++ is great for writing Java which can then be compiled using the command line.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Too bad that IntelliJ Idea is not allowed as a part of contest. Even free community edition is better than that :) I'm biased I admit, used to work with Idea for about 10 years
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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I use VS2012/13 with Resharper (and a few other plugins) most of the time - although XCode is okay (probably good, if you'd never used VS), it's still a bit of culture shock each time I go back to it. At the moment VS seems to be Microsoft's best product (that I know of, at least) - I'm quite excited about what's coming up in VS14 :).
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Too bad that IntelliJ Idea is not allowed as a part of contest. Even free community edition is better than that :) I'm biased I admit, used to work with Idea for about 10 years
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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They give terrible gas.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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DaveAuld wrote:
Have you had the same feeling with Netbeans?
It's on my list to try next. You're using Beaglebone's, right? Are you using Netbeans for cross compiling? Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
It's on my list to try next.
Please don't. It will spare you from several strokes and will allow you to have a longer life. If you're interested in cross compiling, just use MonoDevelop. Honestly
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Eclipse? Are you being seduced by the dark side?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Eclipse does do a few things that VS doesn't do but it's still not worth the effort.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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LOL, same here! I thought I wanted to get into Android development until I installed Eclipse and actually started doing it. Going from VS to Eclipse is like going from driving a nice Toyota to driving an old Geo Metro. Really makes you appreciate the Toyota :)
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
Yeah. Using Eclipse is a painful experience. Even tabbing between documents. I didn't appreciate how nice it is that VS puts my "last visited" tab into the "tab back to this tab" slot, so I can easily bounce between two tabs. I have no idea what that feature is called or even how to describe it well, but I sure miss it in Eclipse. And then there's the whole "you have to save the file before it compiles the latest changes" BS. Why can't it auto-save first? There's probably a configuration option. The thing that I find most amusing (and annoying) is that the most useful command "build project" has no hotkey!!! Marc
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Lots of agreement here....apart from me. Don't get me wrong: the best debugger I have ever seen is Visual Studio's. But as an editor and general development environment I haven't seen anything better, and cool that it is cross platform. What I would say though is that one or two of the aspects that I use regularly (e.g. code reformat) have started to get a bit buggy). Also, I would say that, like Libre/OpenOffice, the configuration system can be a bit impenetrable. It's really hard to find things, especially if you don't know what they call it in Eclipse lingo. Only the other day, I was trying to add a system macro in a C++ project. All the addition buttons were greyed out. It took me ages to find that you have to add them to a "user-defined" plugin. From an architectural point of view, I can see why it is like that, but it just wasn't clear to me at the time. In summary, there is a steep learning curve, but I love it to bits. My particular preferred environment is Eclipse for project management, edit and general source exploration; for debug VS blows Eclipse into the wind at least on the Microsoft platform and for build I use a platform independent build framework in the console. It sounds convoluted, but I actually like it.
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I feel your pain. I am feeling your pain. Oh! The pain! My current project is a BIRT reporting web app. I find eclipse a morass of perspectives and confusing tab configurations and unintuitivity <- just made that up in honor of this thread. There are times when gouging my eyes out with a fork would be a delightful diversion. I have a better experience using NetBeans but it isn't as ubiquitous. When creating desktop Java apps, using the window layout editor is comparable to the forms designer in VS. Not bad really. I equate the near-vertical learning curve with eclipse, to learning to develop Windows apps back in the day using VC++ 6. Took me a long time to get the feel and grok the contexts.
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Gack. Unfortunately, I'm and embedded developer that works with TI DSPs. A few years ago, TI switch from a VC6 style IDE to Eclipse. I've never seen such a pig before. I've gotten to the point where after the base project is setup through Eclipse, I switch to using 'make' to do my builds and jEdit for my editing purposes. The only thing I then use Eclipse for is for the debugger. My employer has finally given me access to some of the Parasoft tools so I'll probably spend a little more time in Eclipse, if only for the static analysis tools. Eclipse problems and complaints: 1) Slow, slow, slow and slow. I can walk down to the kitchen, buy a soda and get back to my desk before Eclipse is done loading. 2) If I have a failure with an update, ~80% of the time Eclipse will no longer start. I'll end up having to reinstall the whole environment. (Don't know if this is an Eclipse problem or a TI problem) 3) Why the hell would I want to see every file in the source directory in my project tree. Let me specify the files that are in the project. I have more than just 3 complaints but over all, I like the old style IDE much better than the Eclipse version. The only obvious advantage to using Eclipse is that I could also be using it in linux.
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Yeah Eclipse is really bad, always has been and still seems to be judging by my run in with the Android developer toolkit which is based on it. Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me. I recommend IntelliJ's IDEA, I've used that in anger at work and it has a lot of really good stuff. It's where a lot of what is in Resharper comes from.
"Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me." I can live with the weird project concept. What I don't understand is how so many people can be fanboys for an editor that doesn't even properly support "undo" It's mess, there is no way to know what will actually be undone (or what was actually undone for that matter.) Did you click on another part of the UI after that typing mistake? Don't worry we'll just use the global undo stack and undo your last refactoring instead of the typing error. Did that refactor include creating a new file (that you edited?) No problem we'll throw that away too...
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Yeah, Eclipse it's a terrible IDE, i had to use it once and i swore i'll never do it again unless i really have too. If you're developing on Java NetBeans is far better.
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I think it seems to be one of those projects that's got too big for its boots. I think the new google IDE might be better - but it means you have to write in Java ! Rock and Hard Place
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Why do you say it's not allowed - I haven't noticed anything about that?
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As far as I see in contest description:
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Article 2 - Setting Up Your Android Development Environment Comparison of the new Android Studio vs. Eclipse IDEs
I thought that assumes using of the above IDEs
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
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As far as I see in contest description:
Quote:
Article 2 - Setting Up Your Android Development Environment Comparison of the new Android Studio vs. Eclipse IDEs
I thought that assumes using of the above IDEs
Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson
