Eclipse
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
And notepad as well.
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?! -- C++ FQA Lite
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
:D Great summary. That's been my exact experience.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
Yeah. Using Eclipse is a painful experience. Even tabbing between documents. I didn't appreciate how nice it is that VS puts my "last visited" tab into the "tab back to this tab" slot, so I can easily bounce between two tabs. I have no idea what that feature is called or even how to describe it well, but I sure miss it in Eclipse. And then there's the whole "you have to save the file before it compiles the latest changes" BS. Why can't it auto-save first? There's probably a configuration option. The thing that I find most amusing (and annoying) is that the most useful command "build project" has no hotkey!!! Marc
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Yeah I really don't understand who uses it. Maybe people who have people dedicated to eclipse configuration. But it's just to cumbersome for it's own good.
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It is a rare beast is it not? Especially the project configuration. It wouldn't be so bad, but it has to handle so many chip architecture!
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Eclipse? Are you being seduced by the dark side?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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If this is the first time you've used it, you should feel blessed that you've never had to use it before.
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Eclipse does do a few things that VS doesn't do but it's still not worth the effort.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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As much as I am anti MS at times (use the XAML editor in VS for 5 mins to see why), overall as an IDE, VS is a really nice product. I may have to use plug-ins to get the functionality some others provide out of the box, but overall it just feels "cleaner" than most IDEs.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah Eclipse is really bad, always has been and still seems to be judging by my run in with the Android developer toolkit which is based on it. Its concept of 'workspace' is just bizarre and confuses me. I recommend IntelliJ's IDEA, I've used that in anger at work and it has a lot of really good stuff. It's where a lot of what is in Resharper comes from.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
And notepad as well.
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?! -- C++ FQA Lite
Notepad++ is great for writing Java which can then be compiled using the command line.
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Too bad that IntelliJ Idea is not allowed as a part of contest. Even free community edition is better than that :) I'm biased I admit, used to work with Idea for about 10 years
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I use VS2012/13 with Resharper (and a few other plugins) most of the time - although XCode is okay (probably good, if you'd never used VS), it's still a bit of culture shock each time I go back to it. At the moment VS seems to be Microsoft's best product (that I know of, at least) - I'm quite excited about what's coming up in VS14 :).
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Too bad that IntelliJ Idea is not allowed as a part of contest. Even free community edition is better than that :) I'm biased I admit, used to work with Idea for about 10 years
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They give terrible gas.
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DaveAuld wrote:
Have you had the same feeling with Netbeans?
It's on my list to try next. You're using Beaglebone's, right? Are you using Netbeans for cross compiling? Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
It's on my list to try next.
Please don't. It will spare you from several strokes and will allow you to have a longer life. If you're interested in cross compiling, just use MonoDevelop. Honestly
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Eclipse? Are you being seduced by the dark side?
Regards, Rob Philpott.
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Eclipse does do a few things that VS doesn't do but it's still not worth the effort.
As I grow older I've found that pleasing everyone is impossible but pissing everyone off is a piece of cake.
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LOL, same here! I thought I wanted to get into Android development until I installed Eclipse and actually started doing it. Going from VS to Eclipse is like going from driving a nice Toyota to driving an old Geo Metro. Really makes you appreciate the Toyota :)
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
Wow - makes me appreciate VS2010 - and that's saying something!
Yeah. Using Eclipse is a painful experience. Even tabbing between documents. I didn't appreciate how nice it is that VS puts my "last visited" tab into the "tab back to this tab" slot, so I can easily bounce between two tabs. I have no idea what that feature is called or even how to describe it well, but I sure miss it in Eclipse. And then there's the whole "you have to save the file before it compiles the latest changes" BS. Why can't it auto-save first? There's probably a configuration option. The thing that I find most amusing (and annoying) is that the most useful command "build project" has no hotkey!!! Marc
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Lots of agreement here....apart from me. Don't get me wrong: the best debugger I have ever seen is Visual Studio's. But as an editor and general development environment I haven't seen anything better, and cool that it is cross platform. What I would say though is that one or two of the aspects that I use regularly (e.g. code reformat) have started to get a bit buggy). Also, I would say that, like Libre/OpenOffice, the configuration system can be a bit impenetrable. It's really hard to find things, especially if you don't know what they call it in Eclipse lingo. Only the other day, I was trying to add a system macro in a C++ project. All the addition buttons were greyed out. It took me ages to find that you have to add them to a "user-defined" plugin. From an architectural point of view, I can see why it is like that, but it just wasn't clear to me at the time. In summary, there is a steep learning curve, but I love it to bits. My particular preferred environment is Eclipse for project management, edit and general source exploration; for debug VS blows Eclipse into the wind at least on the Microsoft platform and for build I use a platform independent build framework in the console. It sounds convoluted, but I actually like it.
