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    Kent Sharkey
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    ReadWrite[^]:

    Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

    All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

    Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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      ReadWrite[^]:

      Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

      All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

      Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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      Dan Neely
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      Can anyone in the peanut gallery tell me if this is worth looking at from home? My employer's firewall has broken ReadWrite for the last month or so...

      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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        ReadWrite[^]:

        Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

        All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

        Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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        Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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        Actually I never used PHP, so I think I don't have any right to criticize this PHP programming language. But since Microsoft's ASP.NET using C# and VB.NET have been public and more and more tutorials and developers are taking interest in it, the PHP is always moving into the stack of stake. Since more and more tutorial are being written for ASP.NET, a great and managed code library is provided for ASP.NET more developers are taking interest in ASP.NET, PHP is an old language, I never used so I can't say whether it is a good or a bad one, but I have never used PHP I have got some friends who do PHP. But they also believe ASP.NET is better than PHP, however wordpress is a great blogging service and I am not a wordpress developer only because of PHP. I don't think I have got time to change the language, also, in the current CodeProject current Poll, I have voted for C#, so it shows almost 70% of the web developers like C# and remaining include the others. There are many ASP.NET sub categories which use C# as the main programming language, only ASP.NET has MVC, Web Pages, Web Forms etc. Just wonder what wonder might C# itself would build. :)

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          ReadWrite[^]:

          Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

          All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

          Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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          I occasionally get called on to create small websites...usually I install Joomla on Linux hosting because that's the best bang for the buck...Joomla is entirely written in PHP with tons of community developed plugins also written in PHP...it's a whole eco-system that has done nothing but grow. I know my way around PHP...occasionally I have to tweak or create a plugin for it...it's not my favourite programming language but it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

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            I occasionally get called on to create small websites...usually I install Joomla on Linux hosting because that's the best bang for the buck...Joomla is entirely written in PHP with tons of community developed plugins also written in PHP...it's a whole eco-system that has done nothing but grow. I know my way around PHP...occasionally I have to tweak or create a plugin for it...it's not my favourite programming language but it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

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            Kent Sharkey
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            DaveX86 wrote:

            it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

            100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

            TTFN - Kent

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              DaveX86 wrote:

              it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

              100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

              TTFN - Kent

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              Yep, agreed...been down the Umbraco/Orchard/DotNetNuke road...nowhere near the maturity of their LAMP counterparts...all the available site templates alone are worth the hassle of wrestling with the occasional PHP code.

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                DaveX86 wrote:

                it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

                100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

                TTFN - Kent

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                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                OT - If you are in the business of comparing CMS - http://www.sitefinity.com/[^]

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                  DaveX86 wrote:

                  it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

                  100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

                  TTFN - Kent

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                  Kent Sharkey wrote:

                  ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                  ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    Kent Sharkey wrote:

                    ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                    ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    ahmed zahmed wrote:

                    And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                    Not if you need Dynamics to use it!

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                      Kent Sharkey wrote:

                      ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                      ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                      Kent Sharkey
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                      As Jadooti says below. A requirement for Dynamics definitely puts it kind of out of comparison with WordPress et al

                      TTFN - Kent

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                        As Jadooti says below. A requirement for Dynamics definitely puts it kind of out of comparison with WordPress et al

                        TTFN - Kent

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                        You don't

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                          ahmed zahmed wrote:

                          And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                          Not if you need Dynamics to use it!

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          You don't

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                            Kent Sharkey wrote:

                            ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                            ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                            DaveX86
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                            Microsoft Dynamics?!?!?! :omg: *forks sign of the evil eye* :)

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                              You don't

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                              Kent Sharkey
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                              ?! Then why do they call it Adxstudio Portals for Microsoft Dynamics CRM, and have

                              Quote:

                              Supercharge Microsoft Dynamics CRM into a web-based sales, services, support & social engagement application platform

                              on that page? If it doesn't need CRM, they're doing a pi... poor job at marketing it. Either way, at $595/month (or $10K/org), it would pay for a lot of WordPress/Joomla/whatnot customization.

                              TTFN - Kent

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                                You don't

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                Jadoti
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                                Maybe you can link to the product you're referring to then, since both the ones I can find on their site specifically say they're for Dynamics.

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                                  Maybe you can link to the product you're referring to then, since both the ones I can find on their site specifically say they're for Dynamics.

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                                  TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                  hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                    ?! Then why do they call it Adxstudio Portals for Microsoft Dynamics CRM, and have

                                    Quote:

                                    Supercharge Microsoft Dynamics CRM into a web-based sales, services, support & social engagement application platform

                                    on that page? If it doesn't need CRM, they're doing a pi... poor job at marketing it. Either way, at $595/month (or $10K/org), it would pay for a lot of WordPress/Joomla/whatnot customization.

                                    TTFN - Kent

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                                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                    hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                      Microsoft Dynamics?!?!?! :omg: *forks sign of the evil eye* :)

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                                      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                      Yeah, agreed. hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                        Kent Sharkey
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                                        They probably just bolted themselves to that beast so they could charge an extra couple of zeros ;)

                                        TTFN - Kent

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                                          ReadWrite[^]:

                                          Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

                                          All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

                                          Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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                                          Rob Grainger
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                                          Wow, I've seem big headers on web pages before but that's gone beyond a joke. Even on my Portrait mode, 1080x1920 monitor I have to scroll a whole darn screen to begin reading the article, all because some ejit thought I'd like to see part of a blue elephant (I suspect its cropped - can't be bothered to move it to another monitor to check) and a tiny picture of the author. Truly awful design.

                                          "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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