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  • K Kent Sharkey

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    Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

    All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

    Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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    I occasionally get called on to create small websites...usually I install Joomla on Linux hosting because that's the best bang for the buck...Joomla is entirely written in PHP with tons of community developed plugins also written in PHP...it's a whole eco-system that has done nothing but grow. I know my way around PHP...occasionally I have to tweak or create a plugin for it...it's not my favourite programming language but it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

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      I occasionally get called on to create small websites...usually I install Joomla on Linux hosting because that's the best bang for the buck...Joomla is entirely written in PHP with tons of community developed plugins also written in PHP...it's a whole eco-system that has done nothing but grow. I know my way around PHP...occasionally I have to tweak or create a plugin for it...it's not my favourite programming language but it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

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      Kent Sharkey
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      DaveX86 wrote:

      it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

      100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

      TTFN - Kent

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      • K Kent Sharkey

        DaveX86 wrote:

        it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

        100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

        TTFN - Kent

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        Yep, agreed...been down the Umbraco/Orchard/DotNetNuke road...nowhere near the maturity of their LAMP counterparts...all the available site templates alone are worth the hassle of wrestling with the occasional PHP code.

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        • K Kent Sharkey

          DaveX86 wrote:

          it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

          100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

          TTFN - Kent

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          OT - If you are in the business of comparing CMS - http://www.sitefinity.com/[^]

          I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is. (V)

          "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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          • K Kent Sharkey

            DaveX86 wrote:

            it has an almost unbeatable combination of free stuff running on cheaper Linux hosting that is very hard to beat.

            100% in agreement. Very unlikely this beast will be slain anytime soon. The RoR and Node.js folk don't seem to believe in CMS systems ("Just create it again from scratch"), and there really isn't a comparable ASP.NET CMS worth installing.[1] [1] Yes, I know of Umbraco, Orchard, and DotNetNuke. Umbraco I'll put on the 'maybe' shelf, but when compared to WordPress, Joomla, Drupal, ExpressionEngine, etc (very etc.) they're neither as easy to install, nor as complete/extensible. Plus the usual hosting price differences between Windows and Linux just make it worse.

            TTFN - Kent

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            Kent Sharkey wrote:

            ASP.NET CMS worth installing

            ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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              Kent Sharkey wrote:

              ASP.NET CMS worth installing

              ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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              ahmed zahmed wrote:

              And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

              Not if you need Dynamics to use it!

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                Kent Sharkey wrote:

                ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                Kent Sharkey
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                As Jadooti says below. A requirement for Dynamics definitely puts it kind of out of comparison with WordPress et al

                TTFN - Kent

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                • K Kent Sharkey

                  As Jadooti says below. A requirement for Dynamics definitely puts it kind of out of comparison with WordPress et al

                  TTFN - Kent

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                  You don't

                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                  • J Jadoti

                    ahmed zahmed wrote:

                    And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                    Not if you need Dynamics to use it!

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                    TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                    You don't

                    If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                    You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                    Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                    • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                      Kent Sharkey wrote:

                      ASP.NET CMS worth installing

                      ever heard of ADX Studio[^]? Clearly not. It's damn good. And is very comparable[^] to Joomla.

                      If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                      You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                      Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                      DaveX86
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                      Microsoft Dynamics?!?!?! :omg: *forks sign of the evil eye* :)

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                      • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                        You don't

                        If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                        You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                        Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                        Kent Sharkey
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                        ?! Then why do they call it Adxstudio Portals for Microsoft Dynamics CRM, and have

                        Quote:

                        Supercharge Microsoft Dynamics CRM into a web-based sales, services, support & social engagement application platform

                        on that page? If it doesn't need CRM, they're doing a pi... poor job at marketing it. Either way, at $595/month (or $10K/org), it would pay for a lot of WordPress/Joomla/whatnot customization.

                        TTFN - Kent

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                        • T TheGreatAndPowerfulOz

                          You don't

                          If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                          You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                          Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                          Jadoti
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                          Maybe you can link to the product you're referring to then, since both the ones I can find on their site specifically say they're for Dynamics.

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                            Maybe you can link to the product you're referring to then, since both the ones I can find on their site specifically say they're for Dynamics.

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                            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                            hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                            If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                            You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                            Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                              ?! Then why do they call it Adxstudio Portals for Microsoft Dynamics CRM, and have

                              Quote:

                              Supercharge Microsoft Dynamics CRM into a web-based sales, services, support & social engagement application platform

                              on that page? If it doesn't need CRM, they're doing a pi... poor job at marketing it. Either way, at $595/month (or $10K/org), it would pay for a lot of WordPress/Joomla/whatnot customization.

                              TTFN - Kent

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                              TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                              hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                              If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                              You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                              Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                Microsoft Dynamics?!?!?! :omg: *forks sign of the evil eye* :)

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                                TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                                Yeah, agreed. hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                  hmmm. It wasn't that way when I was using it a few years ago. Hmmm, I take it back. :-O

                                  If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.-John Q. Adams
                                  You must accept one of two basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe, or we are not alone in the universe. And either way, the implications are staggering.-Wernher von Braun
                                  Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.-Albert Einstein

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                                  Kent Sharkey
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                                  They probably just bolted themselves to that beast so they could charge an extra couple of zeros ;)

                                  TTFN - Kent

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                                  • K Kent Sharkey

                                    ReadWrite[^]:

                                    Why? Too much junk in the trunk.

                                    All the way down to 52% of the internet. Dooooooooomed!

                                    Sure, n% of them are WordPress sites that haven't been updated in years, but they still exist.

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                                    Rob Grainger
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                                    Wow, I've seem big headers on web pages before but that's gone beyond a joke. Even on my Portrait mode, 1080x1920 monitor I have to scroll a whole darn screen to begin reading the article, all because some ejit thought I'd like to see part of a blue elephant (I suspect its cropped - can't be bothered to move it to another monitor to check) and a tiny picture of the author. Truly awful design.

                                    "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                                      Wow, I've seem big headers on web pages before but that's gone beyond a joke. Even on my Portrait mode, 1080x1920 monitor I have to scroll a whole darn screen to begin reading the article, all because some ejit thought I'd like to see part of a blue elephant (I suspect its cropped - can't be bothered to move it to another monitor to check) and a tiny picture of the author. Truly awful design.

                                      "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                                      Dan Neely
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                                      They're channeling (possibly using, can't check from work) Bootstrap[^]; a web framework designed by scroll wheel vendors, RSI doctors, and metered internet providers to boost their revenue levels by requiring enormous amounts of scrolling to find any content.

                                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                        They're channeling (possibly using, can't check from work) Bootstrap[^]; a web framework designed by scroll wheel vendors, RSI doctors, and metered internet providers to boost their revenue levels by requiring enormous amounts of scrolling to find any content.

                                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                        Vark111
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                                        Dan Neely wrote:

                                        They're channeling (possibly using

                                        Using, no - just checked myself. Channeling, definitely. :) That header graphic + Title text takes up exactly one full-screen maximized browser's worth of real estate on a 1920x1080 monitor. X|

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                                          Dan Neely wrote:

                                          They're channeling (possibly using

                                          Using, no - just checked myself. Channeling, definitely. :) That header graphic + Title text takes up exactly one full-screen maximized browser's worth of real estate on a 1920x1080 monitor. X|

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                                          Dan Neely
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                                          It takes up one full screen on any monitor. At home it does on both my 2560x1600 and 1200x1600 screens; the latter just gets a heavily width cropped version. I didn't look closely enough to see if I was getting a ~1500px tall image, or if a smaller one was being stretched. Giant screens of graphical crap with only a few words of text are the standard bootstrap blight, which was why I suspected it was committing the same crime. Bootstrap's like powerpoint only without the ability to quickly and easily jump cleanly between slides. :((

                                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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