Sexist, or not?
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013After reading the first line I thought you were talking about cars which were more likely to be owned by a woman or a car characterized as a 'female car', for instance the new VW Beetles. Male and own one? Turn in your man card! But I agree with you that the majority of the car show participants don't work on their own cars. Anecdotally, a buddy of mine's dad owns an old vette and competes. He drives his for fun during the summer but lets a pro do the work to keep it in shape and running top notch. Undercarriage is clean, no dings or damage, but it is black and looks like a car that gets used. Every single time, he loses to a guy who has the same model and year but the only time the car ever moves is to go in or out of the trailer. It doesn't even get started to do that! That right there is a shame. If you own a beautiful piece of engineering, drive and enjoy it otherwise it is just collecting dust. One of the wing places nearby here has a get together every other week for car people to come out and show off their rides. There is a nice little red ferrari that shows up from time to time, third owner. When he bought it, less than 20k miles. Now it has over 200k. He has taken it camping to the middle of nowhere, driven it across the country with his son... you know, enjoyed the hell out of it. Proper car love right there.
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Unless you don't care whether you sleep next to a man or a woman, you're sexist? Sorry, but there's a difference between the sexes. The difference does imply sexist changes. We will not compete in breast-feeding competitions. Anyone who wants to make them completely equal will have to start at the chromosome-level.
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This has nothing to do with sexual preference. It has to do with implied inequality with regards to a topic (car ownership) where gender really doesn't - and shouldn't, IMHO - matter. I happen to agree that women and men will never be the same as far as physical and physiological differences are concerned. Men can't have babies (they don't have the hips for it :) ). However, i do think women and men should be treated as equals in every way otherwise possible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Trying to get more women involved in an area generally dominated by men... I don't have an issue with that. A friend has a 67 Mustang convertible that he maintains; yes, he does the work on his car. And, he is involved in a local car club. For the most part, car shows for him are a social atmosphere; the plaques he can earn are fun, but not what is important. So, if you enjoy seeing women with their cars... good!
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Is it good ? Is it bad ? I don't know. It depends on the way it is presented to the participants. It is usually the way that "male dominated" hobbies events try to attract women into their world. It happens for cars, but for all types of hobbies. One thing to remember that it is still hard for women to get into traditional male work and hobbies; like car shows and car modifications (and car maintenance). Just look at our domain of work, it is male dominated and there are no signs that it will change and on the other side, nursing is female dominated and there are no signs that it is changing.
I'd rather be phishing!
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MehGerbil wrote:
If you have to lobby for equal rights from me then you're not my equal.
Period.In the UK that's a very punny joke you just made there.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Would the "best female car" be like a white convertible with pink fluffy seats, something known as a hairdressers car here. Makes sense to me to have this comp. seperate to the main event.
Hmm... younger girls in my area (I'm old... too old...) seem to like Mustangs and Camaros! Last year graduation showed 5 girls with their "muscle" cars they got for graduation all lined up. Guys around here seem to be going for either Honda Accords or pickup trucks but the girls are making headway in the pickup truck area. I was almost run off the road a few weeks back by two cow-girls in a gigantic dualie. Maybe the entry was for the best car that looked like a female?
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
You're over thinking it. Snap out of it man and grab your balls. There are girly cars out there that chicks usually drive. Nothing wrong with cars tailored to chicks and some tailored to guys. People shouldn't be afraid to embrace their gender.
Jeremy Falcon
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Unless you don't care whether you sleep next to a man or a woman, you're sexist? Sorry, but there's a difference between the sexes. The difference does imply sexist changes. We will not compete in breast-feeding competitions. Anyone who wants to make them completely equal will have to start at the chromosome-level.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Anyone who wants to make them completely equal will have to start at the chromosome-level.
Totally agree, but not a fan of the word "equal", that implies a comparison. "Different" would be a better word IMO. The sexes really are different, and that's a good thing. I'd never get along with a guy on a very close level like I would a woman.
Jeremy Falcon
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This has nothing to do with sexual preference. It has to do with implied inequality with regards to a topic (car ownership) where gender really doesn't - and shouldn't, IMHO - matter. I happen to agree that women and men will never be the same as far as physical and physiological differences are concerned. Men can't have babies (they don't have the hips for it :) ). However, i do think women and men should be treated as equals in every way otherwise possible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
This has nothing to do with sexual preference. It has to do with implied inequality with regards to a topic (car ownership) where gender really doesn't - and shouldn't, IMHO - matter.
Admit it, you want to drive a pink girly car and are pissed off about it now.
Jeremy Falcon
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You should probably have stopped before you started... ;P
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
You're over thinking it. Snap out of it man and grab your balls. There are girly cars out there that chicks usually drive. Nothing wrong with cars tailored to chicks and some tailored to guys. People shouldn't be afraid to embrace their gender.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There are girly cars out there that chicks usually drive.
But a car show is about the uniqueness of, or modifications made to the car - not the owner of the car. Like I said, I understand the motivation, I'm just questioning whether or not its perpetuating the presumed inequality between the genders within a context where that inequality should be moot. I'm happy that there are women out there that want to participate, but expecting/advocating special treatment or recognition simply because they're women participating in a predominantly male hobby exhibits a misplaced sense of entitlement.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
This has nothing to do with sexual preference. It has to do with implied inequality with regards to a topic (car ownership) where gender really doesn't - and shouldn't, IMHO - matter. I happen to agree that women and men will never be the same as far as physical and physiological differences are concerned. Men can't have babies (they don't have the hips for it :) ). However, i do think women and men should be treated as equals in every way otherwise possible.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Quote:
Men can't have babies
Oh really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c[^] ;P
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Men can't have babies
Oh really? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFBOQzSk14c[^] ;P
Seriously? You're citing a freakshow?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Seriously? You're citing a freakshow?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Sarcastically, yes.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
There are girly cars out there that chicks usually drive.
But a car show is about the uniqueness of, or modifications made to the car - not the owner of the car. Like I said, I understand the motivation, I'm just questioning whether or not its perpetuating the presumed inequality between the genders within a context where that inequality should be moot. I'm happy that there are women out there that want to participate, but expecting/advocating special treatment or recognition simply because they're women participating in a predominantly male hobby exhibits a misplaced sense of entitlement.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013You're being dramatic and over thinking it, reading WAAAAAAY to much into it. It's the analytical programmer in you. Been there done that myself. However, most women are tough little creatures and aren't nearly as sensitive as this, there are tons of chicks adult enough to laugh at the crap you're talking about man. It's a joke. Stop being so sensitive about it, that's the number one thing that annoys a real women (not an overgrown girl) with the IT type of guy.
Jeremy Falcon
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"Best Female Car"
Only reminds me of red Beetles with black spots. And yet, Daisy Duke had that white Jeep...
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013In a whole other life I did a lot of restorations for people who wanted to have the car without the work so I would agree with you. What they could do is have a class for documented self-restoration. There will always be parts of the job that amateurs may not be good at or able to do but if they can show that they did the greater part of the job then that should garner more votes than a vehicle that was professionally restored.
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A local group is going to have a car show this weekend, and among the categories of cars are a few that are female-specific (i.e., "Best Female Car"). When I saw that, I thought, "oh good - they're trying toget more women nvolved in the hobby". And then I thought, "But are they implying that they think women can't compete at the same level as men in a car show?" I would bet that the vast majority of car show participants nowadays don't do any of the work on their own cars, so IMHO, the owner of the car - or the owner's gender - shouldn't matter. Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I guess the idea behind it is same as that with women's chess tournaments. Historically, because it's a male dominated field, this allows women to get into tournaments, win some prizes, and encourage more participation from women. After a few years or decades of doing this, I assume they'd just do away with women specific versions (both for chess and for car competitions).
Regards, Nish
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All my cars have been female. Or at least, they have had female pet names given to them by Herself.
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My '84 Chevrolet Chevette was named 'Bitch'.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe I'm just over-thinkin' it...
You're over thinking it. Snap out of it man and grab your balls. There are girly cars out there that chicks usually drive. Nothing wrong with cars tailored to chicks and some tailored to guys. People shouldn't be afraid to embrace their gender.
Jeremy Falcon
People shouldn't be afraid to embrace their gender. - Jeremy Falcon I prefer to embrace persons of the opposite gender. :laugh:
