No, this gun isn't smoking...

Mike Gaskey

Ed Gadziemski wrote: Hmmm, maybe there's terrorists in Tucson!!!! I would expect there are, with the porus border to the south I am amazed you don't think so. Mike

Chris Losinger

well, ed beat me to it. but, no a picture isn't proof. and, remember, remote intel is not perfect (chinese embassy, aspirin factory). if we could get some more people to corraborate his story, i'd be convinced. -c

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Mike Gaskey

Am I the only one who sees the irony in the fact that this is being reported by PBS and NPR? For those of you on other continents or in countries other than the USA (you too Ed), PBS is the Public Broadcasting System, NPR stands for National Public Radio. NPR is a fairly nasty thorn in the side of conservatives. The reason is that PBS/NPR is a fairly liberal organization, which in and of itself is not "bad" - the thorn comes from the fact that NPR recieves public funding, read that as saying, "my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse". For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. But Jason, no matter what the facts are - "this business of anger directed at terrorists just doesn't feel right." Mike

John Carson

Jason Henderson wrote: So you're saying we're terrorists too? Come on Ed, you can do better than that. For your enlightenment[^] John Carson

John Carson

Mike Gaskey wrote: For this to be available from the NPR site means they find it overwhelmingly credible. Did you see the editor's note in the right margin? Editor's Note: Although U.S. officials acknowledge terrorists were trained at Salman Pak, they say it is unlikely that these activities were related to the Sept. 11 attacks. It should also be noted that the two defectors interviewed for this report have been brought to FRONTLINE's attention by members of the Iraqi National Congress (INC), a dissident organization seeking to overthrow Saddam Hussein. John Carson

Ed Gadziemski

Well, my mother-in-law is in Tucson and she has been terrorizing me the past 18 years.... Oops, sorry for making light of this, Mike. I forgot that you conservatives see a anarchist nazi commie terrorist behind every bush (pun intended). Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Ed Gadziemski

"my taxes help pay for it even though I don't agree with the opinions they espouse" Hmmm. I could say that about Bush's massive defense spending and war on Iraq. NPR's entire budget is less than the cost of a single Blackhawk. (BTW, the way they keep crashing, there won't be enough of 'em left to fight the war.) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Mike Gaskey

John Carson wrote: Did you see the editor's note in the right margin? Yes, but .... Mike

Doug Goulden

Shame on you man, why not build maybe you didn't really take any of it serious Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Ed Gadziemski

why not build ???? Please elaborate; I don't understand. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Doug Goulden

Ed Gadziemski wrote: why not build Sorry head up butt disease, meant to say: Shame on you, serving must not have meant much. Implying that you don't really seem to take the idea of the US defending itself seriously. Was originally going to say something about you being constructive.... Amazingly English actually is my first (and only) language:-O Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Ed Gadziemski

Well, I do take defense seriously. I'm of the Pat Buchanan school of thought, though. Bring our troops home, kick the H1B visaholders out, build a missle defense system, and be like a porcupine: Don't mess with anybody but have a hellacious defense system ready if someone messes with us. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Doug Goulden

Ed Gadziemski wrote: kick the H1B visaholders out, build a missle defense system, and be like a porcupi I'm all for that, problem with bringing all of ours home is that I would rather fight the SOB's over there. I would rather kick the hell out of them at their place than wait for 'em to get close. I like the idea of the rats trying to hide in their hole when the Special Ops guys show up. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Jason Henderson

I applaude you for serving 6 years, but did your service end the moment you were discharged? Why don't you support your country a little more. From the way you talk, I would think you were an anti-capitalist nazi.

Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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Jason Henderson

The guy defected and told us about a training camp where people are trained to hijack planes using an old plane. He tells us the location and we point a satellite at it. Viola! There's a plane there. Sounds like his story is corraborated.

Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - Gandhi

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Chris Losinger

no, it isn't. corraboration would be a 2nd person independently giving the same story. i could claim that there's a guy down the street from me training terrorists to make bombs out of Triumph Spitfires. a satellite photo of the car lot wouldn't prove anything but that i knew where to find a vintage car dealer. -c

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Doug Goulden

No names, but I think that the guys mentioned here are probably laying pretty low http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages/832.html[^] Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Now you're just mean Jason. That attack was personal and not called for. :suss: -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine

Ed Gadziemski

FYI: I own a small business. It's my second. I'm a member of the Chamber of Commerce. I've run a non-profit community website where my business is located for the past 7 years. Just because I don't share your war fever for an ill-advised retribution against Iraq ("he tried to kill my daddy, boo-hoo") doesn't make me any less American. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Chris Losinger

interesting, but sadly: "American officials confirmed that they had met with the former lieutenant general in Turkey but said they had not learned all that much from him. They said it was unlikely that the training on the fuselage was linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings in the US." that's what i want: a clear Saddam -> 9/11 link. until then, Saudi Arabia will stay higher on my list of countries we should invande. -c

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