I am worried about Microsoft
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Amen Man, Amen
Oxford and Cambridge say aye!
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Well, call me crazy, but I actually think there's a lot of benefits to the subscription of office. Not only do I get 1TB of onedrive storage (which IMO justifies the price on its own), but I also get to install the latest version of office on 5 PCs/Macs and 5 tablets. Bonus: 60 minutes of free calls with Skype (to real phones), not that I use it, but nice to have anyways. No install media - just click install on the office site. The Windows 8 thing is changing. Win9 will be desktop centric. Luckily for us :) Let's see how it looks in the end of september. What detection issues in IE? Browser or feature detection? Since IE10 (and somewhat even 9), I can finally write apps in Firefox or Chrome and they will look and behave exactly the same in IE11. MS finally got it right, and it's actually a lot faster when animating stuff with lot's of CSS3/SVG.
Erling Limm wrote:
Not only do I get 1TB of onedrive storage (which IMO justifies the price on its own), but I also get to install the latest version of office on 5 PCs/Macs and 5 tablets. Bonus: 60 minutes of free calls with Skype (to real phones),
I second you, maybe I am crazy too :laugh: . I should add that subscription mode doesn't even scratch my wallet every month and the benefits are worth it.
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Well, call me crazy, but I actually think there's a lot of benefits to the subscription of office. Not only do I get 1TB of onedrive storage (which IMO justifies the price on its own), but I also get to install the latest version of office on 5 PCs/Macs and 5 tablets. Bonus: 60 minutes of free calls with Skype (to real phones), not that I use it, but nice to have anyways. No install media - just click install on the office site. The Windows 8 thing is changing. Win9 will be desktop centric. Luckily for us :) Let's see how it looks in the end of september. What detection issues in IE? Browser or feature detection? Since IE10 (and somewhat even 9), I can finally write apps in Firefox or Chrome and they will look and behave exactly the same in IE11. MS finally got it right, and it's actually a lot faster when animating stuff with lot's of CSS3/SVG.
Back in the day new coke was introduced, most people liked it, so they changed it Those who didn't kicked up a fuss because they made a very big miscalculation , those who liked new coke also liked old coke :) Though not completely the same but here's the thing to introduce this model of business microsoft is throwing in all these nice goodies, Skype calls one drive ect, 10 years from now everyone is on a subscription model and have no copies of the old Office left , and they can do with that price as they please , as end user you might not feel it but enterprise licenses will be ridiculous, maybe its just paranoia but it does have the feeling of paying for something you already paid for.. As for the browser capabilities detection , quickly write a asp.net app in .net 2 3 or 4 (not 4.5) create a basic login, and run it on IE 10 or try storing a session variable, when you have 50+ sites online its not a lot of fun being on the other end of that conversation. For flat sites, basic content sites there may be some improvements.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
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I agree with you that if more of us developed for Linux, eventually it would make a dent...problem is big corporate clients insist on being communicated with via Excel & Word docs...and a lot of them do all their scheduling and communicating with Outlook and presenting with PowerPoint...you'll be left out in the cold if you don't *obey*. Having said that, I'm staying on Office 2010 for the foreseeable future. If someone built .NET scripting into Open Office / Libre Office, that would seriously tempt me :) The Linux platform would help its cause immensely if it would settle on the *one* desktop combining all the best features of all of them. I only use Linux in console mode myself, usually to run LAMP stacks. Arch Linux is my current favorite, I've used CentOS and OpenSuSE as well (gave up on SuSE when they abandoned Mono).
It's not whether more of us develop for Linux. It's if more people adopt and use Linux which people aren't going to do. It's a bit of a learning curve for many and I somehow think the day of Linux being number one is long gone. Companies won't move to Linux because they won't make money and if Microsoft gives away the OS for free, why would anyone try Linux in a mainstream level?
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Actually, there is > Try and find a laptop with Windows 7, try and buy a copy of Office 2007 I believe you can still but 5 years from now I doubt it. not to mention the security patches that will inevitably not be delivered to a discontinued version of windows My rant is not just from a End user perspective but that from a Developer perspective , there is nothing more i would like that to boot up ubuntu install netbeans and get in the zone with java but the most of my end users still uses Internet explorer (not because its the better browser, its because it came with their corporate PC along with Excel and word and all that other stuff that comes for free with open office but for some reason Microsoft still manage to sell to everyone
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
If you pay $10, you'll get 1TB of OneDrive which is the only reason why I signed on. 1TB per person and 5 licenses for $10/mo..... everyone's happy if 5 members of the family pay $2. Online backup storage and Office. Still beats paying $200+ for an Office suite when I can have this and get free upgrades.
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It's not whether more of us develop for Linux. It's if more people adopt and use Linux which people aren't going to do. It's a bit of a learning curve for many and I somehow think the day of Linux being number one is long gone. Companies won't move to Linux because they won't make money and if Microsoft gives away the OS for free, why would anyone try Linux in a mainstream level?
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Chona1171 wrote:
Office going to a subscription model , even though nothing really new has been added and Office 2007 still serves it purpose perfectly Bought it for $200 where I now have to spend that same amount every 15 months
Agree. I remember when Windows 95 released and I was developing software and Gates was talking about this and I thought it was a terrible idea which only cost users more and really offered no great benefit.
newton.saber wrote:
Office 20073 still serves it purpose perfectly
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I hate the subscription model. No, I take that back, hate is too weak of a word. Mark my words I'll stop using Office personally if it's forced upon me and I'll likely convince my employer to do the same. Adobe has already lost my future money with their BS Creative Cloud nonsense. I'll use CS6 until it stops working.
tgrt wrote:
I'll use CS6 until it stops working.
I heard that! Unfortunately that time may arrive sooner than later. I have seen the world utterly transformed from the one I started my career in and I've got a persistent suspicion that not that long from now, no binary assembly will be able to execute on any retail computational device without first phoning home to a license server and passing/authenticating digital signatures and other verification gates. This is not a brave new world that I want to live in!
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Recent changes in Microsoft software is leaving me worried From: Office going to a subscription model , even though nothing really new has been added and Office 2007 still serves it purpose perfectly Bought it for $200 where I now have to spend that same amount every 15 months. Windows 8 changing everything users were familiar with to windows 8.1 bringing back things cut from windows for no apparent reason. Windows 8 prioritizing a tablet based layout making no consideration the amount of laptops and desktops is huge in comparison to tablet sales Now in the past I made no secret of my absolute infuriation with Internet explorer and it looks like they are at it again http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/18/technology/internet-explorer-name-microsoft/[^] And all I can think of is "brilliant another default operating system bound browser which will be a compulsory baby sitting job filled with javascript and CSS layout issues that will be completely different from the fixes done in every major release of IE,and if they really want to make my day cause the same detection issues introduced with IE10 and IE11 making me spend my precious time jumping between different PC's and VMS testing different versions of IE and tweaking my CSS and Browser Files like a jenga tower instead of focusing on functionality and business logic" YAY! I wish there is something we as developers can do to put a permanent stop to these unwanted and unnecessary security risks and changes Microsoft keeps shoving down our throat.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
You're just now getting worried about Microsoft? I haven't trusted them for probably two decades, after getting burned one too many times by their lack of quality and techo-narcissism (and at one time I actually liked M$). Aside from a couple OS packs and whatever came with a laptop I bought, I haven't paid for any of their products for over a decade. If it is something they have a free version of, I might use it, if there are no viable alternatives.. but in general most of my applications are from other sources (like open source). And if windows based games ran reliably on other platforms, I probably wouldn't even use their OS at all. MS only cares about two things.. maintaining control and profit. They don't really care about technology, innovation, developers, or any user. They only seem to care about those things when it aligns with their agenda (i.e. control and profit). They will push larges amounts of money in PR trying to convince people how great their products are because many of them are so bad that they would never survive on their own merits. And the moment anything doesn't fit with their agenda, they will drop it and not give a damn about the countless users that they duped or forced into being dependent on the technology/product. Can anyone say Silverlight, XP, or VB6? Hopefully this is just the death spiral that will put Microsoft in its place. After all, IBM was once an all-powerful company, until they fell hard and was forced to be far more humble.
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Recent changes in Microsoft software is leaving me worried From: Office going to a subscription model , even though nothing really new has been added and Office 2007 still serves it purpose perfectly Bought it for $200 where I now have to spend that same amount every 15 months. Windows 8 changing everything users were familiar with to windows 8.1 bringing back things cut from windows for no apparent reason. Windows 8 prioritizing a tablet based layout making no consideration the amount of laptops and desktops is huge in comparison to tablet sales Now in the past I made no secret of my absolute infuriation with Internet explorer and it looks like they are at it again http://money.cnn.com/2014/08/18/technology/internet-explorer-name-microsoft/[^] And all I can think of is "brilliant another default operating system bound browser which will be a compulsory baby sitting job filled with javascript and CSS layout issues that will be completely different from the fixes done in every major release of IE,and if they really want to make my day cause the same detection issues introduced with IE10 and IE11 making me spend my precious time jumping between different PC's and VMS testing different versions of IE and tweaking my CSS and Browser Files like a jenga tower instead of focusing on functionality and business logic" YAY! I wish there is something we as developers can do to put a permanent stop to these unwanted and unnecessary security risks and changes Microsoft keeps shoving down our throat.
Chona1171 Web Developer (C#), Silverlight
This is precisely why I am no longer investing in or currently developing software with Microsoft technologies. I still use PowerPoint 2003 a lot because I like the ease of use of the spline feature in graphics. Still, I'm a part-time/amateur developer with my own business/hobby so I can afford to be choosey! I appreciate that it may meet the needs of many, but it doesn't seem to meet mine. I seem to be going down the C++, PHP, JS route. I do find this a little sad, because I once placed my hopes in .NET, but it has disappointed me.