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    Lost User
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    Oracle sucks. Oracle tools suck - they look like something out of the '90s - they want me to use the command line to install/uninstall stuff. How is this a billion dollar company? Even then the uninstall didn't work so I'm digging around in the registry because Oracle for .NET has so fragged VS2008 that I cannot even establish a SQL connection anymore. It really is a crappy product. Seriously, die in a fire.

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      Oracle sucks. Oracle tools suck - they look like something out of the '90s - they want me to use the command line to install/uninstall stuff. How is this a billion dollar company? Even then the uninstall didn't work so I'm digging around in the registry because Oracle for .NET has so fragged VS2008 that I cannot even establish a SQL connection anymore. It really is a crappy product. Seriously, die in a fire.

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      Corinna John
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      Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

      This statement is false.

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        Oracle sucks. Oracle tools suck - they look like something out of the '90s - they want me to use the command line to install/uninstall stuff. How is this a billion dollar company? Even then the uninstall didn't work so I'm digging around in the registry because Oracle for .NET has so fragged VS2008 that I cannot even establish a SQL connection anymore. It really is a crappy product. Seriously, die in a fire.

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        Rage
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        MehGerbil wrote:

        How is this a billion dollar company?

        By not investing thousands of dollars in developing a Fisher Price UI that everybody will anyway criticize and by relying on solid good'ol' command line ?

        ~RaGE();

        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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          Oracle sucks. Oracle tools suck - they look like something out of the '90s - they want me to use the command line to install/uninstall stuff. How is this a billion dollar company? Even then the uninstall didn't work so I'm digging around in the registry because Oracle for .NET has so fragged VS2008 that I cannot even establish a SQL connection anymore. It really is a crappy product. Seriously, die in a fire.

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Stick with what works. The Command line works, always has always will. What I can't stand is the ridiculous Webbish interface they created that doesn't work.

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            Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

            This statement is false.

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            Rage
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            Corinna ? This must have been ages !! What brings you around here ? Lost something in a picture and looking for it ;P :rolleyes: ?

            ~RaGE();

            I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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              Stick with what works. The Command line works, always has always will. What I can't stand is the ridiculous Webbish interface they created that doesn't work.

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              That is what I'm complaining about - the UI I'm trying to use is clunky and doesn't work. They're doing a terrible job of modernizing, IMHO. Why not just use DIP switches instead of the modern command line?

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                MehGerbil wrote:

                How is this a billion dollar company?

                By not investing thousands of dollars in developing a Fisher Price UI that everybody will anyway criticize and by relying on solid good'ol' command line ?

                ~RaGE();

                I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC? Because if you're using Windows Explorer then that is 'Fisher Price' and much too easy for a serious professional to use.

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                  Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

                  This statement is false.

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                  I don't know why both cannot be done well.

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                    I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC? Because if you're using Windows Explorer then that is 'Fisher Price' and much too easy for a serious professional to use.

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                    Rage
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                    I use TotalCommander :cool: Given, this is not DOS, but the design did not evolve since Win98.

                    ~RaGE();

                    I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                      That is what I'm complaining about - the UI I'm trying to use is clunky and doesn't work. They're doing a terrible job of modernizing, IMHO. Why not just use DIP switches instead of the modern command line?

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                      Dip switch is old technology. Use the punch cards instead.

                      ~RaGE();

                      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                        I use TotalCommander :cool: Given, this is not DOS, but the design did not evolve since Win98.

                        ~RaGE();

                        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                        Good Heavens! I'm going to have to begrudgingly give you a +5.

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                          Dip switch is old technology. Use the punch cards instead.

                          ~RaGE();

                          I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                          We could use clay jars with rocks inside of them. Or we could use this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug[^]

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                            Oracle sucks. Oracle tools suck - they look like something out of the '90s - they want me to use the command line to install/uninstall stuff. How is this a billion dollar company? Even then the uninstall didn't work so I'm digging around in the registry because Oracle for .NET has so fragged VS2008 that I cannot even establish a SQL connection anymore. It really is a crappy product. Seriously, die in a fire.

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                            Is the complaint only with the install/uninstall or it is generally usage of Oracle? So, has anyone developed a GUI interface for Oracle as a community project? I've used Oracle in the past, but not enough to really care one way or the other; wrote the queries I needed by hand and modified them only on occasion.

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                              We could use clay jars with rocks inside of them. Or we could use this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGkkyKZVzug[^]

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                              :omg: Some people have too much time on their hands.

                              ~RaGE();

                              I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC? Because if you're using Windows Explorer then that is 'Fisher Price' and much too easy for a serious professional to use.

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                                PIEBALDconsult
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                                MehGerbil wrote:

                                I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC?

                                Often, but it depends on the task at hand. "Use the right tool for the right job." -- Scotty

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                                  MehGerbil wrote:

                                  I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC?

                                  Often, but it depends on the task at hand. "Use the right tool for the right job." -- Scotty

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                                  If I haven't opened a command prompt window at least once on any given workday, I probably haven't accomplished much that day.

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                                    If I haven't opened a command prompt window at least once on any given workday, I probably haven't accomplished much that day.

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                                    I always have at least one open, often more than one.

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                                      Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

                                      This statement is false.

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                                      Wendelius
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                                      Corinna John wrote:

                                      I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle

                                      Why not use TOAD or SQL Developer? :)

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                                        :omg: Some people have too much time on their hands.

                                        ~RaGE();

                                        I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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                                        Rage wrote:

                                        Some people have too much time on their hands.

                                        They have all that time because they use a modern UI to get their work done during the day. :-D

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          That is what I'm complaining about - the UI I'm trying to use is clunky and doesn't work. They're doing a terrible job of modernizing, IMHO. Why not just use DIP switches instead of the modern command line?

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                                          The command line is not outdated technology. In fact, it is still vastly superior to the point and click interface. See the immediate window in the VS-IDE, see Powershell, see Telnet. A trained user is also an order of magnitude faster typing the switches than someone navigating all kinds of Windows with expensive (and buggy!) controls. The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

                                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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