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  • C Corinna John

    Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

    This statement is false.

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    Wendelius
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    Corinna John wrote:

    I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle

    Why not use TOAD or SQL Developer? :)

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    • R Rage

      :omg: Some people have too much time on their hands.

      ~RaGE();

      I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus Entropy isn't what it used to.

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      Lost User
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      Rage wrote:

      Some people have too much time on their hands.

      They have all that time because they use a modern UI to get their work done during the day. :-D

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      • L Lost User

        That is what I'm complaining about - the UI I'm trying to use is clunky and doesn't work. They're doing a terrible job of modernizing, IMHO. Why not just use DIP switches instead of the modern command line?

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        Lost User
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        The command line is not outdated technology. In fact, it is still vastly superior to the point and click interface. See the immediate window in the VS-IDE, see Powershell, see Telnet. A trained user is also an order of magnitude faster typing the switches than someone navigating all kinds of Windows with expensive (and buggy!) controls. The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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          The command line is not outdated technology. In fact, it is still vastly superior to the point and click interface. See the immediate window in the VS-IDE, see Powershell, see Telnet. A trained user is also an order of magnitude faster typing the switches than someone navigating all kinds of Windows with expensive (and buggy!) controls. The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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          PIEBALDconsult
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          Eddy Vluggen wrote:

          The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

          Or a Mac -- but even they have a command line now don't they? I stil lhaven't seen one on my Droid yet either.

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            Eddy Vluggen wrote:

            The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

            Or a Mac -- but even they have a command line now don't they? I stil lhaven't seen one on my Droid yet either.

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            It's not installed, so you have to do that yourself[^].

            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello[^]

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            • L Lost User

              I suppose you still use DOS to navigate to files on your PC? Because if you're using Windows Explorer then that is 'Fisher Price' and much too easy for a serious professional to use.

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              Slacker007
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              I write all my code in notepad. I haven't touched a modern IDE in ages. :-\

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

                Or a Mac -- but even they have a command line now don't they? I stil lhaven't seen one on my Droid yet either.

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                Lost User
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                PIEBALDconsult wrote:

                Or a Mac

                I prefer real meat.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                • P PIEBALDconsult

                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  The only machine that does not come with a command-line is called a "games console".

                  Or a Mac -- but even they have a command line now don't they? I stil lhaven't seen one on my Droid yet either.

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                  Lost User
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                  Pretty sure Mac's have had a command line or terminal option for a VERY long time. Maybe even from the beginning (1984). :~ UPDATE: I stand corrected. Some hard core Googling indicates that the terminal app didn't exist until OS X (1999).

                  Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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                    Pretty sure Mac's have had a command line or terminal option for a VERY long time. Maybe even from the beginning (1984). :~ UPDATE: I stand corrected. Some hard core Googling indicates that the terminal app didn't exist until OS X (1999).

                    Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    I'm pretty sure my father's Mac II X| did not -- or maybe he just never let me get anywhere near it. I thought it was added when they went with OSX (or whatever it's called).

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      I'm pretty sure my father's Mac II X| did not -- or maybe he just never let me get anywhere near it. I thought it was added when they went with OSX (or whatever it's called).

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                      Lost User
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                      See my edit above. You are correct.

                      Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington

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                      • C Corinna John

                        Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

                        This statement is false.

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                        Roger Wright
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                        Long time, no see, Corinna - Welcome! :-D Yep, a gazillion years ago Oracle sent me a free copy of Oracle 8 - I tried it for a few days and uninstalled it. Not even worth trying to master that junk. X|

                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                        • T Tim Carmichael

                          Is the complaint only with the install/uninstall or it is generally usage of Oracle? So, has anyone developed a GUI interface for Oracle as a community project? I've used Oracle in the past, but not enough to really care one way or the other; wrote the queries I needed by hand and modified them only on occasion.

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                          Duncan Edwards Jones
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                          I wrote an Oracle GUI in my last but one job - but sadly I left it behind (in the same way as one leaves a used diaper behind) when I no longer needed it.

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                          • C Corinna John

                            Oracle's drivers and file system structure suck and I'd also love something like Management Studio for Oracle. X| But as the database is designed for other billion dollar companies, the command line tools are just fine. Admins can run them in scripts, in scheduled jobs at night ... instead of clicking through them again and again for ever virtual machine they have to install.

                            This statement is false.

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                            DaveX86
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                            You could try dbForge Studio for Oracle[^]...I use the one for MySQL and prefer it over MySQL Workbench.

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