Working with Experience people
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Laiju k wrote:
Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do
Well, it won't work this way. But you are asking this on CodeProject - the home of thousands of great articles and tips by the legends. Simply search what you want to learn and you have it right here! :)
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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Laiju k wrote:
Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do
Well, it won't work this way. But you are asking this on CodeProject - the home of thousands of great articles and tips by the legends. Simply search what you want to learn and you have it right here! :)
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Some people are lucky to work with really experienced and good programmers, early on in their career. However, I feel this is not the case in more than half of the cases. 1. Continuously learn; do not stop learning. Some years ago, I came across this site Stanford Engineering Everywhere[^], where there are three courses - Methodology, Abstractions and Paradigms. Go in the order stated there. While you listen to the lectures there, visit cs106a[^] and cs106b[^] for the latest software updates / downloads. These do not teach you the programming languages you mention, but they do teach you how to solve problems using computers. 2. Remember that there is no "instant success". You'll need at least ten years[^]. Addendum: Got reminded of a quote I had seen back in 1993 in Bengaluru, India. "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement".
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Some people are lucky to work with really experienced and good programmers, early on in their career. However, I feel this is not the case in more than half of the cases. 1. Continuously learn; do not stop learning. Some years ago, I came across this site Stanford Engineering Everywhere[^], where there are three courses - Methodology, Abstractions and Paradigms. Go in the order stated there. While you listen to the lectures there, visit cs106a[^] and cs106b[^] for the latest software updates / downloads. These do not teach you the programming languages you mention, but they do teach you how to solve problems using computers. 2. Remember that there is no "instant success". You'll need at least ten years[^]. Addendum: Got reminded of a quote I had seen back in 1993 in Bengaluru, India. "Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement".
Thanks.
Amarnath S wrote:
Some people are lucky to work with really experienced and good programmers, early on in their career. However, I feel this is not the case in more than half of the cases.
We can learn new methods,tips,tricks like that from experienced colleagues else we had to struggle a lot to even reach a certain level,real and continuous hardwork is needed for that.
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Experience is a relative term so then dont get put off if the guy is 2 year experience. It depends what he mastered in this duration. And IMHO, trying new things in code just to look cool is very bad idea. When I am working a real customer project, I stick to what is required and how robust is my code. I work mostly on labview and I have been sticking to a simple but boring architecture when I work on live project cos I know it well and I am very efficent. But I use "new" things on my Pet project to learn the craft. Few months back my daughter wanted to chat with one of her friend online. So I decided to implement a one-2-one chat application for them. So I used this to experiment with latest and greatest. Unfortuantely this was a disaster and I think I lost some respect from my kid :)
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Back in April this year (but, not on April 1), I said (on another Lounge thread):
"By the way, in my book, an "experienced developer" is one who has learned the necessity of constant re-training in order to be able to implement the wisdom, principles, heuristics, etc., learned from formal education, self-education, and long experience, in technology that is constantly changing, using tools that are constantly changing."
In my opinion the source of knowledge, information, wisdom, and, ultimately, skill is not located in "other people" ... although, of course, other people can challenge us, inspire us, make use aware of what we don't know, motivate us by example, etc. ... but in ... yourself. Learning "how to learn" is a lifetime work, but how wonderful it is when that becomes a habit, and, even, a passion ! In my opinion, programming is, like playing a musical instrument, both skill, craft, and art. Of course, few violinists have the number of strings, the shape of the bow and body of the violin, change every year so much they have to learn to play again :)
« I am putting myself to the fullest possible use which is all, I think, that any conscious entity can ever hope to do » HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer) in "2001, A Space Odyssey"
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Back in April this year (but, not on April 1), I said (on another Lounge thread):
"By the way, in my book, an "experienced developer" is one who has learned the necessity of constant re-training in order to be able to implement the wisdom, principles, heuristics, etc., learned from formal education, self-education, and long experience, in technology that is constantly changing, using tools that are constantly changing."
In my opinion the source of knowledge, information, wisdom, and, ultimately, skill is not located in "other people" ... although, of course, other people can challenge us, inspire us, make use aware of what we don't know, motivate us by example, etc. ... but in ... yourself. Learning "how to learn" is a lifetime work, but how wonderful it is when that becomes a habit, and, even, a passion ! In my opinion, programming is, like playing a musical instrument, both skill, craft, and art. Of course, few violinists have the number of strings, the shape of the bow and body of the violin, change every year so much they have to learn to play again :)
« I am putting myself to the fullest possible use which is all, I think, that any conscious entity can ever hope to do » HAL (Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic computer) in "2001, A Space Odyssey"
Nice message. Quote from Swami Vivekananda - "Be free; hope for nothing from anyone. I am sure, if you look back upon your lives, you will find that you were always trying to get help from others, which never came. All the help that has come was from within yourselves." Inspired me during my Ph.D. days.
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Nice message. Quote from Swami Vivekananda - "Be free; hope for nothing from anyone. I am sure, if you look back upon your lives, you will find that you were always trying to get help from others, which never came. All the help that has come was from within yourselves." Inspired me during my Ph.D. days.
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Thanks for your reply.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
There's no short cut to improving your knowledge.
yeah.But we should try if there is one.As we repeat the codes make it short by refine it.Change bad codes etc.If we do a long thing short then it can be said as shortcut.
Laiju k wrote:
But we should try if there is one.
I don't think there is. At least not while the matrix knowledge injection is not invented.
Laiju k wrote:
If we do a long thing short then it can be said as shortcut.
Shortcuts can hold traps and are not necessarily better paths. Like our friend already said, read books, study experienced people codes (open source projects are a good way to do that) and code, repeat. You can't improve a piece of code if you don't know it can be improved. One way that I learned a lot was while I was contributing in forums and helping people find answers. I helped others while learning as I did not know the answer for all the questions.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Hoping help will come is not good if we know there is no one to help.But if we get help it is nice.
Laiju k wrote:
Hoping help will come
You should never hope help will come or else life will run you over. You should take matters in your own hands and if help comes along, awesome, but you should never depend on it. Learn to reach out.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Laiju k wrote:
But we should try if there is one.
I don't think there is. At least not while the matrix knowledge injection is not invented.
Laiju k wrote:
If we do a long thing short then it can be said as shortcut.
Shortcuts can hold traps and are not necessarily better paths. Like our friend already said, read books, study experienced people codes (open source projects are a good way to do that) and code, repeat. You can't improve a piece of code if you don't know it can be improved. One way that I learned a lot was while I was contributing in forums and helping people find answers. I helped others while learning as I did not know the answer for all the questions.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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Laiju k wrote:
Hoping help will come
You should never hope help will come or else life will run you over. You should take matters in your own hands and if help comes along, awesome, but you should never depend on it. Learn to reach out.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
I was in the same situation with a very similar technology stack (I use AngularJS instead of JQuery but everything else is the same). I ended up hiring a guy by the hour to teach me design patterns and do code reviews with me outside of my company. I hated to pay but it was the BEST money i have ever spent. I learned more in those sessions then i ever did at my university programming courses. Finding a "good" software engineer is hard but you can do it. A good test is if they can explain a couple design patterns in a way you can understand. If they can explain a factory pattern and when it is used and why in a way you can understand then they are most likely worth paying to do your code reviews and teach. Also, watching code reviews on youtube is helpful though they will often put you to sleep. Good Luck. ~ Eric
Eric
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I was in the same situation with a very similar technology stack (I use AngularJS instead of JQuery but everything else is the same). I ended up hiring a guy by the hour to teach me design patterns and do code reviews with me outside of my company. I hated to pay but it was the BEST money i have ever spent. I learned more in those sessions then i ever did at my university programming courses. Finding a "good" software engineer is hard but you can do it. A good test is if they can explain a couple design patterns in a way you can understand. If they can explain a factory pattern and when it is used and why in a way you can understand then they are most likely worth paying to do your code reviews and teach. Also, watching code reviews on youtube is helpful though they will often put you to sleep. Good Luck. ~ Eric
Eric
Thanks Eric, I don't even think about that.I think I will fetch a person good enough.I don't know I can get somebody like that.
Eric Whitmore wrote:
Also, watching code reviews on youtube is helpful though they will often put you to sleep.
I will also try this.
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Thanks for the reply
Fabio Franco wrote:
One way that I learned a lot was while I was contributing in forums and helping people find answers. I helped others while learning as I did not know the answer for all the questions.
I am doing the same now.
Regardless of what others might imply, I don't think there's any substitute for working with a mature, experienced team. I spent my first 5 years as a programmer reading forums and volunteering on open source products and even writing CodeProject articles! I thought I was hot stuff, until I joined a new organization and got paired up with some highly experienced engineers. They spent hours sharing their desktops and explaining in great detail why they wanted certain patterns and how to write enterprise grade code. In summary, I learned more from this group of experts in a few months time than I had learned in total, on my own, over the previous five years. The moral of the story, get yourself on an experienced development team or find a great mentor. Going it alone with nothing but Google and StackOverflow.com on your side can only result in a poor outcome.
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Watch Pluralsight videos and read code project articles.
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
I have over 30 years of development experience and I still have to do a LOT of research and learning. Not only to work on a new problem, but to improve existing code/solutions. The rapid change in development platforms and tools requires constant learning to be an "experienced" developer. Granted, experience helps a lot to determine a solution and identify problems quicker, but the actual methods to development are constantly changing. AS you gain experience you find you own style and approach for development projects. It also helps to improve how you do research and training to be more efficient.
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Regardless of what others might imply, I don't think there's any substitute for working with a mature, experienced team. I spent my first 5 years as a programmer reading forums and volunteering on open source products and even writing CodeProject articles! I thought I was hot stuff, until I joined a new organization and got paired up with some highly experienced engineers. They spent hours sharing their desktops and explaining in great detail why they wanted certain patterns and how to write enterprise grade code. In summary, I learned more from this group of experts in a few months time than I had learned in total, on my own, over the previous five years. The moral of the story, get yourself on an experienced development team or find a great mentor. Going it alone with nothing but Google and StackOverflow.com on your side can only result in a poor outcome.
I agree with you... I think there are two kind of people here... - The ones that can better learn just doing stand alone research. - The ones that can better learn when pairing with experienced ones, going to war... I'm more of the 2nd type, I read, I research, yes, but if I'm not in a project that requires what I just read, I will go to a very dark place into my brain... unless I find a way to use it (have a project) I will then never try it.. ok I will have it in my memory, so in a future project I could recall it, use it then real learn it... there is where I love to work in good teams, when you are working together with experienced people you will learn crazy and useful secrets that you will just not notice in a book. (normally you could learn everything in a project or work in around 2-3 years, if the project is not good enough or too simple you will notice you get bored... time to something new) My best recommendation is: try to join an external project, just for education, that will help you, you will have a better reason to research and learn that just reading (normally I forgot what I read 2 pages ago...) plus contacting other people in the project will help (open source project, with good forums are good)
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Read Dijkstra... Start here: E W Dijkstra Archive Home Page[^] ...or here: Dijkstra's books on Amazon.[^] - I have "A Discipline of Programming" and it's one of the finest books I've ever read: somehow, into one tiny book, Dijkstra puts everything that Knuth took four massive volumes to convey.
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I don't get the opportunity to work with more experienced people.People working with me is having only 6 months to 1 year experience more than i have.I try to learn from them but i cant enough from them in the time being.I have to research a lot for keeping new things in my code.And it is taking more time It is done first time no actual help is got from Google for all the things.Somethings are stuck for eternity and try to do it in the old way.I am trying to improve myself.Can you guys give me some tips which can be done by less effort as i am having enough work to do.(ASP.NET,Jquery,Javascript,C#,HTML,CSS,SQL SERVER 2008)
Its not about how much experience your coworkers have, but what they have knowledge about. They all have different knowledge than you do, to take advantage of that and pick up bits and pieces of it as best you can as often as you can. Ditto for information on the web. In general, never pass up an opportunity to learn something new.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.