C# - just making an observation
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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I think the reason is that C# team put the ego aside - they do not care how many times John Doe says: 'It was copied from ...', what matter if it is a useful language feature or not...So C# - even being a new-age language - has all the 'wisdom' all the old languages got ever...
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Even though I'm always a C/C++ guy at heart for the desktop and a PHP/JavaScript guy for the web, I happen to agree with this. As a language, without the extra garbage added on by some frameworks like EF, C# really is a nice language. My biggest beef with it is no support for multiple inheritance, but every environment has a couple of "would be nice" things. It's the simple stuff though. Like partial class support. If you're in an IDE that sucks, and thus makes code navigation a b*tch, it's nice to have compiler support to be able to make files more manageable. Things like that. Sure, I can get around it, but it's nice to have. And needless to say, I was tickled pink when C++ 11 adopted some ideas from newer languages like C#.
Jeremy Falcon
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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I agree- and even more so when I returnto something I wrote > 1 year ago in C# I can still work out what the code does and why, and am back up and running pretty quickly. I do sometimes wish great swathes of it were marked as depreciated though - people who don't use typed (generic) lists and pass DataSets around between methods need nudging towards a better path...including me.
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I agree- and even more so when I returnto something I wrote > 1 year ago in C# I can still work out what the code does and why, and am back up and running pretty quickly. I do sometimes wish great swathes of it were marked as depreciated though - people who don't use typed (generic) lists and pass DataSets around between methods need nudging towards a better path...including me.
Sorry, DataSets and DataTables need to go - they are the spawn of Beelzebub himself.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Ugh. Is it really that good? I've fiddlyfarted with it here and there, but I've never done any serious work in it. I've been a C++ guy since the 80s (with lots of everything in the interim.) Maybe it's time to suck it up and take a serious bite out of it.
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Ugh. Is it really that good? I've fiddlyfarted with it here and there, but I've never done any serious work in it. I've been a C++ guy since the 80s (with lots of everything in the interim.) Maybe it's time to suck it up and take a serious bite out of it.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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I would agree. Started with COBOL/FORTRAN, moved to Pascal and assembler, then to C and Assembler, and C++ and assembler. Then moved to C# five or six years ago. It's a coherent, well-thought-out language, that works very, very well indeed. My only criticism is that it's become easier to abuse it:
varin particular, along with ArrayList and it's unpleasant ilk still remaining in the framework years after they should have been put to sleep as a mercy killing...along with teachers who thinkgotois something they should start off by teaching.:mad:Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Ugh. Is it really that good? I've fiddlyfarted with it here and there, but I've never done any serious work in it. I've been a C++ guy since the 80s (with lots of everything in the interim.) Maybe it's time to suck it up and take a serious bite out of it.
I'm on this same boat... I've been C/C++ for so long it's hard to see too much justification of why to change something that's worked so well for so long. I have however, heard good things about C#... and it'll be even more interesting once MS makes their .NET framework open source and it spreads to other platforms more easily. As a side note, I've also recently started working in Python and can definitely see why people like it. Can easily be made as fast as C++ and easy to work with like Matlab scripts.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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In violent agreement! :thumbsup: (Although I must confess I'm ignorant about F#.) /ravi
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I'm on this same boat... I've been C/C++ for so long it's hard to see too much justification of why to change something that's worked so well for so long. I have however, heard good things about C#... and it'll be even more interesting once MS makes their .NET framework open source and it spreads to other platforms more easily. As a side note, I've also recently started working in Python and can definitely see why people like it. Can easily be made as fast as C++ and easy to work with like Matlab scripts.
Python's a slick little language. I use perl day to day. It's tough to justify C++ for these quick hit scripts I've fallen in to writing. God how I miss real programming.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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To each their own. I frankly never liked C# - feels like VB sprinkled with semicolons and curly braces X|
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Python's a slick little language. I use perl day to day. It's tough to justify C++ for these quick hit scripts I've fallen in to writing. God how I miss real programming.
mikepwilson wrote:
I use perl day to day. It's tough to justify C++ for these quick hit scripts I've fallen in to writing.
In my last job I used perl for quick scripts too. It worked out well...
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I'm on this same boat... I've been C/C++ for so long it's hard to see too much justification of why to change something that's worked so well for so long. I have however, heard good things about C#... and it'll be even more interesting once MS makes their .NET framework open source and it spreads to other platforms more easily. As a side note, I've also recently started working in Python and can definitely see why people like it. Can easily be made as fast as C++ and easy to work with like Matlab scripts.
Albert Holguin wrote:
Python and can definitely see why people like it. Can easily be made as fast as C++ and easy to work with like Matlab scripts.
I use Python a lot these days and generally like it, but it is really impossible to make it even remotely as fast as C++. Even Java code is blazingly fast compared to Python.
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Albert Holguin wrote:
Python and can definitely see why people like it. Can easily be made as fast as C++ and easy to work with like Matlab scripts.
I use Python a lot these days and generally like it, but it is really impossible to make it even remotely as fast as C++. Even Java code is blazingly fast compared to Python.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
but it is really impossible to make it even remotely as fast as C++
What!? ...are you kidding? ...it's easy to make it that fast ...we use it on real-time systems.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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:thumbsup: I started in BASIC back in the 80's, and made my way through C, Perl, Java, and some dabbling in TCL and Python... But I haven't found anything better than C#. Granted, Visual Studio has something to do with that... Haven't found a better IDE anywhere. The others I've tried all feel clumsy and weak. Well, I mean, Unity is several kinds of awesome, but that's a little different. Now if only they would switch Excel's scripting interface from VBA to .NET, I could stop hating MS Office too.
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To each their own. I frankly never liked C# - feels like VB sprinkled with semicolons and curly braces X|
I thought that way for a while too, until I had to use it. I wouldn't use it for apps that require heavy computation, but for business apps its nice and much much better than VB.
Jeremy Falcon
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with
Yes, it is. Even though I still miss a QUICK compiler like Delphi had (and sometimes a linker), and aw, the joy of compiling your own VCL. Being able to allocate and deallocate by hand also seemed to be better than having the memory fill up until some lowpriority thread halts your app and starts cleaning up - even though NET4 does a good job at it, I'd rather still be doing it myself.
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Not to start a flame war, I am simply relating my recent personal experience... So, over the last couple of years, I've forayed into Ruby, PHP, very recently Java, and this coming from a background of C, C++, Pascal, Fortran, even some COBOL, and of course assembly language and some things I don't or don't want to remember (BASIC, LISP and Forth come to mind.) In terms of "modern" programming languages, and especially after my recent foray in Java (granted, version 7, so I'm not able to take advantage of lambdas) I have come to the conclusion that, frankly, C# is the most elegant and well crafted language I've ever worked with. Yeah, I remember the C# 1.0 days when I was cursing the lack of templates/generics and the idiocy of single inheritance, but no more. I find that code that I write in C# can be elegant, well crafted, expressive, and just a pleasure to write. I don't have that experience with other languages, except perhaps for F#, once I get into the rhythm of FP. Marc
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Most agree C# is good but times are changing again. First it comes with the overhead of the framework, undeterministic memory management with garbage collectors. Devices are getting smaller and competition on the server side is cutting into profits. Simply put in terms of performance per $ it cannot win on the server side and as mobile app with C++. We are slowly moving to true massive parallelism using GPU computing and it is doable with managed code going through some extra steps to bridge native and managed but why doing it? Modern languages tend to be more verbose. C++ code is terse, impressively logic and amazingly modern and relevant despite old age. C# facilities are nothing more than iteration of STL or Boost. The only advantage is UI but with Web front this is no longer main consideration in choosing the language. C# is evolving and there is nothing wrong with it (I am using .Net extensively) but looking forward, surprisingly, for many applications C# may not be the best choice.
