Victim of MS experiment
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
I understand how you feel, because I am a victim of my parents ! 1. They created me, and yet I cried a lot when I was a baby. 2. They demanded I learn how to use a toilet, and I did that, and then they never thanked me. 3. I learned how to eat food without it dribbling out of my mouth and falling all around me: they still find things to criticize about the way I eat. 4. They sent me to school, and to high-school, and college, and there was no job waiting for me when I graduated. 5. Now they've stopped sending me money, and told me I can't live with them anymore. They're just like Microsoft !
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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I understand how you feel, because I am a victim of my parents ! 1. They created me, and yet I cried a lot when I was a baby. 2. They demanded I learn how to use a toilet, and I did that, and then they never thanked me. 3. I learned how to eat food without it dribbling out of my mouth and falling all around me: they still find things to criticize about the way I eat. 4. They sent me to school, and to high-school, and college, and there was no job waiting for me when I graduated. 5. Now they've stopped sending me money, and told me I can't live with them anymore. They're just like Microsoft !
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
Hmmm, there is a difference.... 10 yrs back, i had option to choose between Java, MS, LAMP, etc. for web development.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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But for me, I had to re-write the stuffs many times when migrating to newer version. Had to convert silverlight project to Html 5 in short time. There are many more but... you can understand...
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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But for me, I had to re-write the stuffs many times when migrating to newer version. Had to convert silverlight project to Html 5 in short time. There are many more but... you can understand...
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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It may strike you hard, but you can still use COBOL for 99% percent of your development - including web development!!! So why learn new things? To be able to choose the one good for you and not run after Microsoft, just because 'Redmond told so'...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Better example would PHP and Java. It keeps on upgrading with tools and frameworks but don't change the way MS creates new stuffs and shut it down so often.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Dominic Burford wrote:
If you don't like the MS way of doing things, then there are always other technological ecosystems you could use.
Yeah, I would slowly shift towards Open Source which is probably not changing so frequently but getting updated with time. I can't do a sudden switch as I have spent 9+ years in MS technologies.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Anurag Gandhi wrote:
I would slowly shift towards Open Source
A lot of .NET and ASP.NET is open source these days.. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/11/12/net-core-is-open-source.aspx[^] https://github.com/aspnet[^] https://aspnetwebstack.codeplex.com/SourceControl/latest[^]
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Better example would PHP and Java. It keeps on upgrading with tools and frameworks but don't change the way MS creates new stuffs and shut it down so often.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
And who told you that old thing does not work? Nothing had shut down - some ways developers doesn't go on so Microsoft stopped it, others matured... However everything still out-there and you can use if you wish!
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Anurag Gandhi wrote:
I would slowly shift towards Open Source
A lot of .NET and ASP.NET is open source these days.. http://blogs.msdn.com/b/dotnet/archive/2014/11/12/net-core-is-open-source.aspx[^] https://github.com/aspnet[^] https://aspnetwebstack.codeplex.com/SourceControl/latest[^]
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
You should read the full sentence. You have quoted only half the sentence and given me the answer which I already know. :)
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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And who told you that old thing does not work? Nothing had shut down - some ways developers doesn't go on so Microsoft stopped it, others matured... However everything still out-there and you can use if you wish!
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
Yeah, Agreed. It is still out there, but discontinued for further development.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Hmmm, there is a difference.... 10 yrs back, i had option to choose between Java, MS, LAMP, etc. for web development.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
The freedoms we see in the rear-view mirror of hindsight are closer than they appear to be.
«OOP to me means only messaging, local retention and protection and hiding of state-process, and extreme late-binding of all things. » Alan Kay's clarification on what he meant by the term "Object" in "Object-Oriented Programming."
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
The trick was always not to jump on every technology Microsoft released, but to choose the ones that did the job you wanted (and weren't obvious duds).. Silverlight - Microsoft's answer to Flash, just as Flash was on the way out. [Avoided] WebForms - ASP.NET had to start somewhere, I remember when they were absolute positioned too. Always a bad idea, but Microsoft saw the light with MVC and many of us switched over (and never looked back) once MVC 2 came out. Mobile View features of MVC 4 - why bother when Bootstrap did this and you could take your UI with you? [Avoided] Knockout got washed away by Angular - when was that? It really depends on what you're building? Identity in MVC 5 - like a lot of things with Microsoft, always best for v2 to come out before adoption. [Avoided] Windows 8 tiles - Tiles.. well, duh! :) Windows 9 - so good it's two (look at that, "two"!) generations ahead of Windows 8 :) Azure - probably one of the best Microsoft products at the moment, and you can still use IIS on an Azure VM if you so wish. I'm pretty excited about MVC6 though, good things are happening there!
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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You should read the full sentence. You have quoted only half the sentence and given me the answer which I already know. :)
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Your original comment was: "Yeah, I would slowly shift towards Open Source which is probably not changing so frequently but getting updated with time. I can't do a sudden switch as I have spent 9+ years in MS technologies." You didn't mention anything about Microsoft open source technologies...? :confused:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
And leave the nitty-gritties of implementation to the Technology folks of your company.
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The trick was always not to jump on every technology Microsoft released, but to choose the ones that did the job you wanted (and weren't obvious duds).. Silverlight - Microsoft's answer to Flash, just as Flash was on the way out. [Avoided] WebForms - ASP.NET had to start somewhere, I remember when they were absolute positioned too. Always a bad idea, but Microsoft saw the light with MVC and many of us switched over (and never looked back) once MVC 2 came out. Mobile View features of MVC 4 - why bother when Bootstrap did this and you could take your UI with you? [Avoided] Knockout got washed away by Angular - when was that? It really depends on what you're building? Identity in MVC 5 - like a lot of things with Microsoft, always best for v2 to come out before adoption. [Avoided] Windows 8 tiles - Tiles.. well, duh! :) Windows 9 - so good it's two (look at that, "two"!) generations ahead of Windows 8 :) Azure - probably one of the best Microsoft products at the moment, and you can still use IIS on an Azure VM if you so wish. I'm pretty excited about MVC6 though, good things are happening there!
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Hmmm, I am also looking for vNext. But will surely give a 2nd thought before adapting any of its new feature.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Think it this way: it provides work for us. If with one technology you need X people, with 7 technologies you'll need many more to provide interoperability, future maintenance, porting...
That's like saying demolishing windows helps the economy
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And leave the nitty-gritties of implementation to the Technology folks of your company.
Thats a nice suggestion but... No thanks... I can take the risk and choose stuffs which will not fade away so soon. I am not scared to learn new things, but feel disappointed when it is discontinued in less than 2-3 yrs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Yeah, Agreed. It is still out there, but discontinued for further development.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Hmmm, We get paid for providing business solutions not for learning crap technologies. Migration from previous verion of MVC to next version is always a pain. Other technologies are also getting paid good. But they are not as volatile as MS. And many of them has solid core and works quite well.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Anurag Gandhi wrote:
But they are not as volatile as MS
Have you not noticed the velocity with which "in vogue" changes for Javascript frameworks, how technologies like Rails come into and out of fashion, and the forking of Open Source projects (most recently node.js)? I suspect you'll find things more similar than you hope in the OSS world.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Hmmm, I am also looking for vNext. But will surely give a 2nd thought before adapting any of its new feature.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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And here I am, still happily
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