Victim of MS experiment
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The trick was always not to jump on every technology Microsoft released, but to choose the ones that did the job you wanted (and weren't obvious duds).. Silverlight - Microsoft's answer to Flash, just as Flash was on the way out. [Avoided] WebForms - ASP.NET had to start somewhere, I remember when they were absolute positioned too. Always a bad idea, but Microsoft saw the light with MVC and many of us switched over (and never looked back) once MVC 2 came out. Mobile View features of MVC 4 - why bother when Bootstrap did this and you could take your UI with you? [Avoided] Knockout got washed away by Angular - when was that? It really depends on what you're building? Identity in MVC 5 - like a lot of things with Microsoft, always best for v2 to come out before adoption. [Avoided] Windows 8 tiles - Tiles.. well, duh! :) Windows 9 - so good it's two (look at that, "two"!) generations ahead of Windows 8 :) Azure - probably one of the best Microsoft products at the moment, and you can still use IIS on an Azure VM if you so wish. I'm pretty excited about MVC6 though, good things are happening there!
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Hmmm, I am also looking for vNext. But will surely give a 2nd thought before adapting any of its new feature.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Think it this way: it provides work for us. If with one technology you need X people, with 7 technologies you'll need many more to provide interoperability, future maintenance, porting...
That's like saying demolishing windows helps the economy
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And leave the nitty-gritties of implementation to the Technology folks of your company.
Thats a nice suggestion but... No thanks... I can take the risk and choose stuffs which will not fade away so soon. I am not scared to learn new things, but feel disappointed when it is discontinued in less than 2-3 yrs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Yeah, Agreed. It is still out there, but discontinued for further development.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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Hmmm, We get paid for providing business solutions not for learning crap technologies. Migration from previous verion of MVC to next version is always a pain. Other technologies are also getting paid good. But they are not as volatile as MS. And many of them has solid core and works quite well.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Anurag Gandhi wrote:
But they are not as volatile as MS
Have you not noticed the velocity with which "in vogue" changes for Javascript frameworks, how technologies like Rails come into and out of fashion, and the forking of Open Source projects (most recently node.js)? I suspect you'll find things more similar than you hope in the OSS world.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
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Hmmm, I am also looking for vNext. But will surely give a 2nd thought before adapting any of its new feature.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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And here I am, still happily
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
This isn't a Microsoft issue. It's the way technology is advancing. This is all new stuff, no one knows if it will work or not so of course it evolves. Microsoft makes it possible for you to have a good living. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. They make solid products and no one makes better ones.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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That's like saying demolishing windows helps the economy
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Watch out for the hype-train. The hype-train has no brakes, it crashes into the buffer stop at full speed. If the Cool Kids are learning it, don't.
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It'll be interesting to see what development tools come out for Linux/OSX :)
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Anurag Gandhi wrote:
All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Dude, everything you listed, except for W8, W9, and IIS, already IS open source. You think the OS community is any better? How many forks of bootstrap twitter are out there? Where were you when the news came out last week that node.js is forked? What about Google's complete, no migration path, rewrite of Angular? It's life, man. Marc
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Because if you went penguin you'd've had complete stability developing your web server in
Perl php python Rails node.js. Ok, on the client side things are better, just do all your UI withJQuery angular bootstrap kendo something a starblecks swilling hipster slapped together in his basement last weekend.:doh: Edit: Things would be better on mobile at least, you could stay in on place for your entire career writing apps forPalmOS Symbian BlackBerry iOS Android. :sigh:Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Microsoft are not mind readers, nor do they control the entire world. Those two facts alone address the majority of your list. Webforms? The only people talking right now talk about MVC. If there are an abundance of Webforms developers, they sure are being quiet on t'interweb. And Microsoft can't be faulted for giving it's customers (at least the ones speaking up) what they want. Bootstrap? Microsoft doesn't control bootstrap. Nor do they control the legions of developers who started using it. I'd abandon a technology that everyone walked away from, too. Knockout and Angular? Neither of those technologies are owned by Microsoft. Sure some MS devs contribute, but Knockout is an independent library, and Angular is run by Google. How on earth is any of that Microsoft's fault? Tiles were the number one feature that everyone complained about (rightly or wrongly) in Windows 8. Again, where are the legions of tile lovers on the internet talking about how awesome they are? And I don't even know what to say about the IIS thing. Windows still ships with IIS. What makes you think MS is abandoning IIS? Because they have Azure? Did MS abandon Windows Desktop because they came out with Windows Server? The other ones on your list I marginally agree with.
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This isn't a Microsoft issue. It's the way technology is advancing. This is all new stuff, no one knows if it will work or not so of course it evolves. Microsoft makes it possible for you to have a good living. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. They make solid products and no one makes better ones.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Stick with what works. ADO.net and WinForms still work just fine.