Victim of MS experiment
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That's like saying demolishing windows helps the economy
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Watch out for the hype-train. The hype-train has no brakes, it crashes into the buffer stop at full speed. If the Cool Kids are learning it, don't.
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It'll be interesting to see what development tools come out for Linux/OSX :)
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Anurag Gandhi wrote:
All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Dude, everything you listed, except for W8, W9, and IIS, already IS open source. You think the OS community is any better? How many forks of bootstrap twitter are out there? Where were you when the news came out last week that node.js is forked? What about Google's complete, no migration path, rewrite of Angular? It's life, man. Marc
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Because if you went penguin you'd've had complete stability developing your web server in
Perl php python Rails node.js. Ok, on the client side things are better, just do all your UI withJQuery angular bootstrap kendo something a starblecks swilling hipster slapped together in his basement last weekend.:doh: Edit: Things would be better on mobile at least, you could stay in on place for your entire career writing apps forPalmOS Symbian BlackBerry iOS Android. :sigh:Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Microsoft are not mind readers, nor do they control the entire world. Those two facts alone address the majority of your list. Webforms? The only people talking right now talk about MVC. If there are an abundance of Webforms developers, they sure are being quiet on t'interweb. And Microsoft can't be faulted for giving it's customers (at least the ones speaking up) what they want. Bootstrap? Microsoft doesn't control bootstrap. Nor do they control the legions of developers who started using it. I'd abandon a technology that everyone walked away from, too. Knockout and Angular? Neither of those technologies are owned by Microsoft. Sure some MS devs contribute, but Knockout is an independent library, and Angular is run by Google. How on earth is any of that Microsoft's fault? Tiles were the number one feature that everyone complained about (rightly or wrongly) in Windows 8. Again, where are the legions of tile lovers on the internet talking about how awesome they are? And I don't even know what to say about the IIS thing. Windows still ships with IIS. What makes you think MS is abandoning IIS? Because they have Azure? Did MS abandon Windows Desktop because they came out with Windows Server? The other ones on your list I marginally agree with.
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This isn't a Microsoft issue. It's the way technology is advancing. This is all new stuff, no one knows if it will work or not so of course it evolves. Microsoft makes it possible for you to have a good living. Don't bite the hand that feeds you. They make solid products and no one makes better ones.
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Your time will come, if you let it be right.
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Stick with what works. ADO.net and WinForms still work just fine.
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That's the industry in which we live and breathe. Technology doesn't stand still for anyone. Sometimes the changes don't work, othertimes they do, or sometimes they need further re-work. The point is, it is a constantly moving and shifting industry. If you're not moving forwards then you're going backwards. If you don't like the MS way of doing things, then there are always other technological ecosystems you could use.
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Hi, It prepares you for legacy projects :)
With friendly greetings,:) Eric Goedhart
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Well, most of the skills are very easily transferable to their newer technologies, so I don't really care. (And since I am a .NET trainer, I earn money everytime they deprecate something ahah) It reminds me when I first use ASP.NET Web API ! I did not know about the technology, and thought I was doing a JSON web service with ASP.NET MVC. I said : "Woaw, I don't remember ASP.NET MVC being so good !! awesome". Then I only learned 3 weeks after that the two technologies were different. Don't use a technology if you don't see the need. Reading the summary of new techs are enough to give you an idea to choose the right current best tool for the job when you will need. If you have no time, make a RSS feed of .NET blogs and only read the title. If you have more time, read the content. If you have more time : Channel9 !
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That's why I do not code anymore. Actually, I did not give up, I am just waiting for stability in the technologies.
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I am just waiting for stability in the technologies.
I don't think it will happen any time near future. It is continuously evolving.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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That's like saying demolishing windows helps the economy
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Anurag Gandhi wrote:
But they are not as volatile as MS
Have you not noticed the velocity with which "in vogue" changes for Javascript frameworks, how technologies like Rails come into and out of fashion, and the forking of Open Source projects (most recently node.js)? I suspect you'll find things more similar than you hope in the OSS world.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.
You don't need to be on the latest version of these frameworks. Learn the languages well / keep up to date with those; but pick a framework and stick to it, until there's a significantly compelling reason to migrate, or you find something that's more standards compliant (e.g. if you picked something requiring SilverLight then an HTML5 friendly version appears, the HTML5 version's the one that'll stay, since it's compatible with more end-user devices).
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
They're like an young-middle aged man. Afraid of commitment! lol
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
Hehehehe you better do Java and Open source, you will get a new popular flavor each Month!!! At least with MS you have one source only!!!
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
There are a lot of good comments here. First, you don't have to always switch. Second, it is not just MSFT changing TOOLS. I had software a client used for YEARS under Windows XP (and even before that). No issues. Windows 8 comes out, and he cannot run the application (it was written in Delphi, using Paradox DB/BDE). Mircosoft made so many breaking changes, this became impossible to support. I reworked it to newer Delphi + SQLite database. Still a couple of hiccups (like non-infinite waiting for SMTP connections which are fixed now). Luckily I got paid to do it. The problem is NOT that the tools are changing. The problem is that the rate of change is ever increasing! Also customer expectations are through the roof. They no longer need a simple DB application that generates input/ouput, and creates an import for their Accounting System. Today, they want it web enabled, with customers placing orders online, updating everything back at the office, hitting the accounting system in real-time, completely integrated with ALL 3rd party shippers, and BTW, could you make it Multi-Lingual and Multi-Currency, AND super secure so the Credit Card company can test/validate it? (Oh, and we have a VERY LIMITED budget... This has to pay for itself in a year... LMAO) That Said. I was just hired to upgrade some old PHP sites as the hosting companies will no longer support the older (less secure) versions of PHP... And have you noticed how often JRE/JDK updates are coming down the pipe? I am fortunate enough to get to play with a LOT of this. Less of the MSFT stuff because I felt it would take them 10years to really do .Net correctly (I was close!), and I was able, for a long time, to avoid it with Delphi... But that is slowly dying... Luckily solid code can last a long time if the underlying components can still be installed! We are discussing where to go next... C# or Java... But this is a 3-5 year decision for us. We change REALLY SLOWLY because frankly we plan on living with that solution for some time. We have to be able to target Windows, Linux, Web, and now Macs are becoming a target platform for us. Prior to open sourcing some of .Net, Java was the pretty clear winner for us. It will probably be the final winner, only because we dread linking our existence to MSFT who can do some really stupid things of late (windows Vista? windows 8? killing windows 7 next). In the end... It is programming. It is problem solving. It is just too much fun to stay away from!
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Anurag Gandhi wrote:
Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration.
Because it's fun and you get paid for that? :rolleyes:
Your time will come, if you let it be right.
Consider it time well spent to prove you have the three years experience mandated by the HR department on a software product that has only been on the market for six months.
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Hmmm, We get paid for providing business solutions not for learning crap technologies. Migration from previous verion of MVC to next version is always a pain. Other technologies are also getting paid good. But they are not as volatile as MS. And many of them has solid core and works quite well.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
shhh, that's a lie, don't let them know. We get paid to play with technology. Using same technology for years get boring. Microsoft just realized that and are providing us our "games".
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I think like me, many .net developer are the victim of MS experiment. I learned silverlight, it became outdated. I learned Asp.Net WebForms, now no more supported in vNext. I learned Mobile View features of MVC 4, taken over by bootstrap Knockout got washed away by Angular. I learned Identity in MVC 5, disappeared. Windows 8 tiles were experimented and taken off in Windows 10. Windows 9 experiment went away even before beta release. :) :) I learned IIS and now Microsoft is coming with self hosting website in cloud. They are again experimenting and combining Web API, MVC and other stuffs in MVC 6. Changing a lot of stuffs. By the time we learn those stuffs, they take their step back and experiment something new. Why the hell we are learning those for such a short duration. All such stuffs are inspiring me to stay away from Microsoft and move towards open source for all major stuffs.
Life is a computer program and everyone is the programmer of his own life.
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You don't need to be on the latest version of these frameworks. Learn the languages well / keep up to date with those; but pick a framework and stick to it, until there's a significantly compelling reason to migrate, or you find something that's more standards compliant (e.g. if you picked something requiring SilverLight then an HTML5 friendly version appears, the HTML5 version's the one that'll stay, since it's compatible with more end-user devices).
Which could also be said of the MS stack.
"If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.