Silly question, if Iraq is disarmed why are they firing Scuds?
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I have no doubt that the info is sketchy at best, I just wanna know how a group of people that was supposedly disarming for 12 years can shoot a missle into another country (still). Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Stopping how? action, not words. My point is that if the UN takes itself seriously, and the majority of the Security Council seriously objects to US invasion of Iraq, then why are they sitting around with their collective thumbs up their asses? My God, stand up for your precious UN, men! Deny the evil Americans! Put some muscle behind your words! I'm sure there are some economic measure they could take as well. At least look like you really give a shit. That's all. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
The peaceniks are good at griping, if they were good at action SH would have disarmed 12 years ago. The UN is a joke, Sh has been laughing at it for years, but you don't hear the peaceniks complaining about that. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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The only reason inspections were even started again, after a 4 year lapse, was because the US aimed a gun at SH head. Blix even said yesterday that the cooperation wasn't there from SH. War sucks, but I would rather have it there than to wait til they were to attack us or our allies. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: The only reason inspections were even started again, after a 4 year lapse, was because the US aimed a gun at SH head. yes, true. but, they were started again, weren't they? and they were finding things, weren't they? and things were being destroyed, weren't they? so the process was working. what happened, regardless? GWB invaded. this highlights the fact that this war isn't just about WMDs, or UN resolutions; it's also about something entirely different: 'regime change'. IMO, that's a business we have no business being in. but, as i said to brianwelsch: whatever. you got your fucking war. enjoy it while you can. -c
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Kant wrote: Maybe if the US waited for few more months, I'm tired of this shit.... If everyone was so against this, why didn't they take more drastic measures to stop the US? BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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Jason Henderson wrote: It will happen I guess time will tell. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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Do you have some divinatory hidden talents? ;)
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So, you're pretty satisfied with Chris Losinger's answer, aren't you :-D Moreover, you perfectly know nobody pretended SH had no weapons :)
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KaЯl wrote: Moreover, you perfectly know nobody pretended SH had no weapons The funny thing is, I think that some of these folks reall believe that SH had disarmed, and he wasn't a threat. I agree that war sucks, I just disagree that you can solve every problem without it. It should be a last resort, but the US has waited to long to many times. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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brianwelsch wrote: If everyone was so against this, why didn't they take more drastic measures to stop the US Could France do more?! :wtf::rolleyes::-D?
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Threaten to stop export of French Fries!!! Something!!! ;P Seriously. What did they do other than say "we're going to veto any new resolution proposing military action" ? And stick with the questionable progress of inspections. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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I'm more interested in why nobody is helping the Iraqi's, a fellow UN member, defend themselves from the imperialist dogs who are so wrongly attacking them. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
i've heard many reports of Arabs from all over the region going to Iraq to help. and of course, the calls are up for Muslims all over the world to bring the fight directly to the US - where they actually stand a chance of doing damage. -c
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The only reason inspections were even started again, after a 4 year lapse, was because the US aimed a gun at SH head. Blix even said yesterday that the cooperation wasn't there from SH. War sucks, but I would rather have it there than to wait til they were to attack us or our allies. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: Blix even said yesterday that the cooperation wasn't there from SH. We are not watching the same news here: From my sources, Blix declared: "We did not have any obstacles from the Iraqi side in going anywhere. They gave us prompt access and we were in a great many places all over Iraq"[...] But the Americans "lost patience some time at the end of January or the beginning of February," Mr Blix said. He suggested that Washington was "doubtful from the beginning" about the process. [...] "I somewhat doubt that when (the Security Council) got the resolution last November they really intended to give under three-and-a-half months for inspections," Mr Blix said. However Mr Blix said the mission had showed that it was possible to have a UN inspection regime that was truly international and independent from the intelligence services of member states"
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brianwelsch wrote: without any real action inspections were working - things were being found and destroyed. while it might not satisfy the impatient, it appeared to be working. it didn't require the US to alienate our allies, and it didn't require a war: something which will only stir up even more anti-US feeling. but whatever. you got your fucking war. enjoy it while it lasts. -c
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He had 4 months to produce clear and serious results that he was completely disarming. Instead he went about it in a piecemeal sort of way that was not at all serious or clear. Nobody wants war and I really don't appreciate it when you talk like that about those of us who support this. I sincerely prayed before this war started that it could be avoided, but it was not.
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Doug Goulden wrote: The only reason inspections were even started again, after a 4 year lapse, was because the US aimed a gun at SH head. yes, true. but, they were started again, weren't they? and they were finding things, weren't they? and things were being destroyed, weren't they? so the process was working. what happened, regardless? GWB invaded. this highlights the fact that this war isn't just about WMDs, or UN resolutions; it's also about something entirely different: 'regime change'. IMO, that's a business we have no business being in. but, as i said to brianwelsch: whatever. you got your fucking war. enjoy it while you can. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: whatever. you got your f***ing war. enjoy it while you can You miss the point, completely. I agree that war sucks, but I also believe that SH is a real threat to the US. I don't believe in waiting until we are kicked in the teeth, when you see someone who is a true threat you need to stop him. I don't enjoy war, I don't think its amusing, I have a pretty personal perspective about what it really means. The question is, will the world be a better place when the man is gone, and will it be worth the cost. In my opinion it will be better, and it is. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
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Threaten to stop export of French Fries!!! Something!!! ;P Seriously. What did they do other than say "we're going to veto any new resolution proposing military action" ? And stick with the questionable progress of inspections. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: Stopping how? action, not words. My point is that if the UN takes itself seriously, and the majority of the Security Council seriously objects to US invasion of Iraq, then why are they sitting around with their collective thumbs up their asses? My God, stand up for your precious UN, men! Deny the evil Americans! Put some muscle behind your words! I'm sure there are some economic measure they could take as well. At least look like you really give a shit. That's all. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security
brianwelsch wrote: Put some muscle behind your words! Had I something to say about it, I'd been a bit harsher towards Bush and Blair. But I am not in the position to grab them by their neck and tell them to "Settle the fuck down". But then again, had I been in that "inner circle", I would probably have had more information than I currently have. So maybe, I could have been applauding Bush and Blair right now instead of barking at them. With the information I have right now, I can only say I'm doubtful if this war is the right thing. I'm only human you know. :) -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine
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He had 4 months to produce clear and serious results that he was completely disarming. Instead he went about it in a piecemeal sort of way that was not at all serious or clear. Nobody wants war and I really don't appreciate it when you talk like that about those of us who support this. I sincerely prayed before this war started that it could be avoided, but it was not.
Jason Henderson
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world." - GandhiJason Henderson wrote: Nobody wants war come again? if "nobody wants war", how do we end up having wars? Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely prayed before this war started that it could be avoided and yet you've been one of the most vocal pro-war voices in this forum the whole time. -c
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That's not why we disagree with the US government that we have to threat or punish the US citizens! We aren't so childish! ;) BTW, we don't export fries. TBelgium does :)
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KaЯl wrote: BTW, we don't export fries. TBelgium does Exactly! You guys export Pommes Frites. :-D -- Shine, enlighten me - shine Shine, awaken me - shine Shine for all your suffering - shine
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They may have more experience you may think. Have you forgotten all the volunteers from all muslim countries who fought as mujahidin in afghanistan? They defeated the russians, and had training camps for years under the Taliban regim.
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Chris Losinger wrote: whatever. you got your f***ing war. enjoy it while you can You miss the point, completely. I agree that war sucks, but I also believe that SH is a real threat to the US. I don't believe in waiting until we are kicked in the teeth, when you see someone who is a true threat you need to stop him. I don't enjoy war, I don't think its amusing, I have a pretty personal perspective about what it really means. The question is, will the world be a better place when the man is gone, and will it be worth the cost. In my opinion it will be better, and it is. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?
Doug Goulden wrote: I don't believe in waiting until we are kicked in the teeth, when you see someone who is a true threat you need to stop him. i agree. Doug Goulden wrote: SH is a real threat to the US i disagree. Doug Goulden wrote: The question is, will the world be a better place when the man is gone, and will it be worth the cost. In my opinion it will be better, and it i maybe, maybe not. it's a hell of a chance to take, when you consider who's been attacking the US for the past 10 years: Arabs fed up with US involvement in the mid-east. -c
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Jason Henderson wrote: Nobody wants war come again? if "nobody wants war", how do we end up having wars? Jason Henderson wrote: I sincerely prayed before this war started that it could be avoided and yet you've been one of the most vocal pro-war voices in this forum the whole time. -c
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Chris Losinger wrote: if "nobody wants war", how do we end up having wars? I must clarify, nobody here. Chris Losinger wrote: and yet you've been one of the most vocal pro-war voices in this forum the whole time. pro-war? It just seemed to me that war was the only option. Saddam was not cooperating. If Saddam would have surrendered himself, this would be over by now.
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