Windows Phone Sales Make Me Sad
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It's mainly the lack of apps. Whenever a company says they have mobile apps, that usually means Apple and Android.
Regards, Nish
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I don't either. But we are not the majority market. Most people want apps.
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
I don't either. But we are not the majority market. Most people want apps.
My guess is if you asked 100 phone buyers what apps they need that are available on platform A but not on platform B that 99 of them couldn't name a single app which isn't available on both platforms. It is dishonest to pretend that the number apps a phone has should have any impact on what phone the average consumer should purchase. Technology should be purchased to solve a clearly defined need - 99/100 phone buyers could pick any smart phone and have more than they'll ever require. Nobody needs 100,000+ apps.
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Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
As for the market share - let Microsoft worry about it.
I suspect this thread was started as a result of this News post: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4975589/Is-Microsoft-s-Windows-Phone-at-long-last-dead.aspx[^] If Microsoft kills off their phone product, your post suggests that it might affect you too. Still, there is no sense in us spending time worrying about it :) . Soren Madsen
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As someone who used Windows Phone from version 7 through to a couple of months ago, I do feel I can bring some perspective to this. While I loved the UI and the way it worked, the one thing I couldn't get past was the lack of apps. I'm not talking about numbers here - lord knows, the Windows Phone store is inundated with a huge number of truly terrible applications. What it lacked were the quality applications from companies that I wanted apps from. This is where Android and Apple have the market locked up; companies only have so much development spend, and why would they waste it on low growth devices? Let's face it, we're not bemoaning the lack of apps on Blackberry here, yet it's in a similar situation. The thing that finally made me give up was the fact that I run my home sound system on Sonos, and there still isn't a WP version of the Sonos controller. I got an HTC M8, installed the app and it auto-opens for me when I come in the house, if the family are playing any music. Until Microsoft can persuade businesses to develop apps for Windows Phone, they are going to be a poor third relation.
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i hear that a lot - but when i ask which apps people want theres generally not a lot of response so erm...which apps are not available that are deal breakers? Bryce
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Most common one I hear is banking apps. All the major banks in America have Android and iOS apps, but nothing for Windows. Next most common complaint is popular trending games. By the time Windows gets it, people have moved on to newer games. And then there's also how even apps that are ported fast enough are far slower and way more unstable that the same apps on other OSes. I'd assume it's because of the thinner pool of high quality mobile devs on Windows.
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
I don't either. But we are not the majority market. Most people want apps.
My guess is if you asked 100 phone buyers what apps they need that are available on platform A but not on platform B that 99 of them couldn't name a single app which isn't available on both platforms. It is dishonest to pretend that the number apps a phone has should have any impact on what phone the average consumer should purchase. Technology should be purchased to solve a clearly defined need - 99/100 phone buyers could pick any smart phone and have more than they'll ever require. Nobody needs 100,000+ apps.
Copy/pasting my reply above : Most common one I hear is banking apps. All the major banks in America have Android and iOS apps, but nothing for Windows. Next most common complaint is popular trending games. By the time Windows gets it, people have moved on to newer games. And then there's also how even apps that are ported fast enough are far slower and way more unstable that the same apps on other OSes. I'd assume it's because of the thinner pool of high quality mobile devs on Windows.
Regards, Nish
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Or they could give us high end phones for very low prices.
Regards, Nish
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They have to make a profit or the shareholders, board and employees will doom them. You can either make it in the hardware while giving away the software (Apple) OR make it in the downstream software and ads (Google Android) - while letting the hardware folks (HTC, LG, Samsung, Motorola) try to give away the hardware (see recent profit numbers for Android phone makers). Microsoft (after buying Nokia) is situated more like Apple in this space so I doubt they can give away the hardware.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
I don't either. But we are not the majority market. Most people want apps.
My guess is if you asked 100 phone buyers what apps they need that are available on platform A but not on platform B that 99 of them couldn't name a single app which isn't available on both platforms. It is dishonest to pretend that the number apps a phone has should have any impact on what phone the average consumer should purchase. Technology should be purchased to solve a clearly defined need - 99/100 phone buyers could pick any smart phone and have more than they'll ever require. Nobody needs 100,000+ apps.
MehGerbil wrote:
99/100 phone buyers could pick any smart phone and have more than they'll ever require.
Yep, but 99/100 will go with Apple or Android today due to momentum. MSFT needs to build a much better mousetrap that offers something marketable and useful that the others do not (or preferably can't) do. Until then there is no good reason for the 99 to consider MSFT.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Most common one I hear is banking apps. All the major banks in America have Android and iOS apps, but nothing for Windows. Next most common complaint is popular trending games. By the time Windows gets it, people have moved on to newer games. And then there's also how even apps that are ported fast enough are far slower and way more unstable that the same apps on other OSes. I'd assume it's because of the thinner pool of high quality mobile devs on Windows.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
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They have to make a profit or the shareholders, board and employees will doom them. You can either make it in the hardware while giving away the software (Apple) OR make it in the downstream software and ads (Google Android) - while letting the hardware folks (HTC, LG, Samsung, Motorola) try to give away the hardware (see recent profit numbers for Android phone makers). Microsoft (after buying Nokia) is situated more like Apple in this space so I doubt they can give away the hardware.
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
I was thinking of how they killed Netscape Navigator by making IE free.
Regards, Nish
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Nish Sivakumar wrote:
I'd assume it's because of the thinner pool of high quality mobile devs on Windows.
well i'm a very busy man. :) B
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I didn't mean getting high when I said high quality devs. :rolleyes:
Regards, Nish
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I bought a Windows Phone about a month ago. I've recently installed Windows 8.1 on my laptop. I've a subscription to Office 365. I've been enjoying how everything works together and I love the live tiles. I'd like to eventually get a Surface Pro 3. I think it is a snazzy little ecosystem. I hate to see Windows Phone not do well - I just don't see what is so wrong with it that it isn't selling better. I guess I think it is a really good product. I don't understand the hate - and the diminishing market share.
I am absolutely with you! i can´t see why People are bashing Windows 8.x i guess, it´s some sort of "i am against everything MS developed " or "i am against Technology x, although i have no idea of it, because i´m using y...." :doh: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: :zzz: IMHO Win8.1 is the "highest-performance" OS Ms developed so far. Just my opinion... ;)
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I was thinking of how they killed Netscape Navigator by making IE free.
Regards, Nish
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I totally would like to agree to your concept and your mindset. A few days ago, my girl had to buy a mobile so I suggested her to get a Windows Phone instead of Android, because I really think Windows Phone is a good OS for mobile devices too, although I, myself still have Android. So, she bought Microsoft Lumia 535, which is a great cell phone. But, what stopped me from buying the same mobile phone was their support for third-party applications, or offline installation of applications. I tried to create an application for her mobile phone as a congratulations for her new mobile... but all in vain! They require me to create an account, then upload the app to the market (store what ever they call it) and then it would require her to save the application in the SD card and then store will check for that signature over market and all that kind of thing. Then it will install the app. Wow! That caused me, to stick to Android... I am staying with Android now... So, I would reject your suggestion. Windows Phone is not a good phone for us, the developers! Unless you're Bill Gates of course.
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I doubt your assertion. Given the learning curve for an OS I think most people would want exactly that.
People don't want the same controls on their microwave ovens as those that are on their gas or electric ovens, because they are used for entirely different purposes. The telephone and the computer are far less alike than ovens and ovens. Win phone is bluddy brilliant. Win 8 is a pain in the @rse.
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Most common one I hear is banking apps. All the major banks in America have Android and iOS apps, but nothing for Windows. Next most common complaint is popular trending games. By the time Windows gets it, people have moved on to newer games. And then there's also how even apps that are ported fast enough are far slower and way more unstable that the same apps on other OSes. I'd assume it's because of the thinner pool of high quality mobile devs on Windows.
Regards, Nish
Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com
I think the major US banks - JP Morgan/Chase, Bank of America, Wells Fargo - do have WP apps. It's rare for any of the smaller banks to offer one on the WP platform. Surprisingly, though, there seem to be a number of credit union apps in the WP store. The fact that the bank I frequent offers only iPhone and Android apps made me try a Galaxy Note 4 a couple months ago. Really nice hardware, but after 2+ years on the WP platform I struggled with Android and TouchWiz - even though I use a Nexus 7 tablet daily, but mostly for reading with the Kindle app. Anyway, after a 2 week test run the Note 4 got swapped for a Lumia Icon from Verizon, and that raises one other potential reason that WP lags in the US. Verizon treats WP like a leper. Their selection of hardware is a shadow of what AT&T offers, and Verizon's best WP phone is mediocre on the hardware front. Nonetheless, I really like the Icon and find it SO MUCH easier to use than the wife's iPhone 6. I've got the 8.1 version of the WP platform and Cortana is a really nice feature, comparing pretty well with "OK Google" on Android. Here Maps and Here Drive apps are better than the maps on the iPhone, IMO. No way to compare Google maps to those on WP, so no comment there. I'm not a heavy user of the phone and neither is the wife. She HAS to charge the iPhone daily while I nearly always go 36 to 48 hours between charges All just my 2 cents worth
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I bought a Windows Phone about a month ago. I've recently installed Windows 8.1 on my laptop. I've a subscription to Office 365. I've been enjoying how everything works together and I love the live tiles. I'd like to eventually get a Surface Pro 3. I think it is a snazzy little ecosystem. I hate to see Windows Phone not do well - I just don't see what is so wrong with it that it isn't selling better. I guess I think it is a really good product. I don't understand the hate - and the diminishing market share.
I'm with you... I really like Windows Phone 8.1. Onedrive works great. MS is finally starting to understand how to build the ecosystem. There is no doubt that MS sat on Windows Mobile 6 way to long and should have acted sooner when the iPhone came out. I think it is going to be hard to get someone who is already in the Apple ecosystem to switch, and while the Android ecosystem is not as compelling to me, those users have something that works for them and likely will resist change. Here in Canada I think a MS has done a terrible job of prompting WP and I would think that is the main reason WP is not catching one here. I would be only 20% of the population even knows what Windows Phone is! Last time I visited a Bell Mobility store they did not even have a display for the one windows phone that they carry. At the local Rogers store, there is a display in the back corner for the one Windows Phone they carry. Blackberry has a much larger presence in these two stores and they are the two largest carriers in Canada. With Representation like that it is a wonder anyone in Canada has a Windows Phone. MS has to do a better job of getting awareness of this great product.
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I bought a Windows Phone about a month ago. I've recently installed Windows 8.1 on my laptop. I've a subscription to Office 365. I've been enjoying how everything works together and I love the live tiles. I'd like to eventually get a Surface Pro 3. I think it is a snazzy little ecosystem. I hate to see Windows Phone not do well - I just don't see what is so wrong with it that it isn't selling better. I guess I think it is a really good product. I don't understand the hate - and the diminishing market share.
I agree. It saddens me too. But only because of what Microsoft could do, but don't seem to be interested in. They have the potential to create a device that is nearly the equivalent of a laptop computer and that's small enough to fit in your pocket so you always have it with you. In that vision, having the same interface across the whole gamut of devices makes a lot of sense. I thought that's what they were doing with Win 8 and the tiles, but they don't seem to be following through.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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I bought a Windows Phone about a month ago. I've recently installed Windows 8.1 on my laptop. I've a subscription to Office 365. I've been enjoying how everything works together and I love the live tiles. I'd like to eventually get a Surface Pro 3. I think it is a snazzy little ecosystem. I hate to see Windows Phone not do well - I just don't see what is so wrong with it that it isn't selling better. I guess I think it is a really good product. I don't understand the hate - and the diminishing market share.
The problem right now is phone availability. There are no new releases and others are due for upgrade, hence the decline and those who stay are waiting for windows 10.