new graphics card NVIDIA GTX750OC is not working... advice?
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In their specs (at the card box) it says no extra cables needed, I asked that in the shop too and before buying I saw it in their web site... so they are asking for 400W without cables... Why should it be madness?
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Because in that case you get power via the board, and it maybe can't handle it...
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The problem is likely caused by the fact that the driver for the old card is still installed. Will it start in safe mode? If it does, then uninstall the driver for the old card and install the driver for the new one. The 400W rating for the card is probably for when the card is at peak performance, not just starting up. But, yes, you will probably need to replace the power supply in order for the card to work properly.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
not at all Richard, the OS doesn't even start... X|
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Because in that case you get power via the board, and it maybe can't handle it...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
But it is a "maybe"... :~
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It seems that your PCIe version is 2.0 - it should not be a deadly problem but you will not get the maximum out of a board with version 3.0... You may see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBTSlBW2oc[^] (Consider to recycle the board graphics card...)
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Another option is the PCIe port, does it support version 3.0?
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For what I've seen in the Internet (dangerous place I know) the PCIe 3 is backwards compatible with 2.0 and therefore it should work without issue.
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I could use one of those cards: my hands are freezing in here! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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If the card has an additional power connector, it must be connected. This should be mentioned in the (quick install) manual. The OC indicates an overclocked version. These usually have an additional connector. If the current PSU did not has a power line for GPU cards, it must be replaced. As already mentioned by others, the PSU should be replaced anyway to provide the necessary power when required.
OK, the GPU has no extra ports to receive power... The PSU is 300W capable. It should be only an issue of changing the PSU for another one that could deliver >=400W. shouldn't it?
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In their specs (at the card box) it says no extra cables needed, I asked that in the shop too and before buying I saw it in their web site... so they are asking for 400W without cables... Why should it be madness?
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The 400 W is the recommended power that must be supplied by the PSU. It is not the power required by the GPU card. Form the Nvidia homepage for the GTX750 (normal version): Max. power consumption: 55 W Min. PSU pwoer: 300 W Your GPU seems to be an overclocked version ("OC") that might draw more. The PCIe x16 slot is able to provide about 75 W. If the card requires more power, an additional connector must be provided. Overall the card should work but the PSU might be at its limit when the GPU card is at full power.
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For what I've seen in the Internet (dangerous place I know) the PCIe 3 is backwards compatible with 2.0 and therefore it should work without issue.
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That's a nice theory, and mostly true, but sometimes you need a little help from the BIOS...In any case you will loose performance...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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OK, the GPU has no extra ports to receive power... The PSU is 300W capable. It should be only an issue of changing the PSU for another one that could deliver >=400W. shouldn't it?
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See my other post above. The card should work. Yours may be defective or there is general problem with this card and your system (mainboard). [EDIT] Another reason may be that the PSU is not able to deliver enough power upon system start. At startup most parts draw more power than during normal operation (disk drive motors are starting, fans running with max. speed).
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The snow still on? Poor bastards...[^]
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
No, we had some more Friday night / yesterday morning, but that's worn out now. It's just bitter out there, and there's no heat in my office. Normally not a problem, but I'm getting older and starting to feel the cold in my fingers. :sigh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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No, we had some more Friday night / yesterday morning, but that's worn out now. It's just bitter out there, and there's no heat in my office. Normally not a problem, but I'm getting older and starting to feel the cold in my fingers. :sigh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Try this: http://androidspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tahka.jpg[^] :laugh:
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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It seems that your PCIe version is 2.0 - it should not be a deadly problem but you will not get the maximum out of a board with version 3.0... You may see this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBTSlBW2oc[^] (Consider to recycle the board graphics card...)
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
X| X| X| I don't think they'll want to recycle the board... Too much money involved to play a couple of games. And I don't think the shop will agree returning the GPU... How nice!
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Try this: http://androidspin.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tahka.jpg[^] :laugh:
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
That's just sad... :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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X| X| X| I don't think they'll want to recycle the board... Too much money involved to play a couple of games. And I don't think the shop will agree returning the GPU... How nice!
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Yeah - not nice... Do you have the opportunity to borrow a PSU with 400W? You may check it with that... Jochen Arndt may be all right that the problem is at the power-on state, when all moving parts are spinning at top speed...
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Hello all, My brother in law asked me about a recommendation for a graphics card that would work with his computer. After searching for the computer tech specs and knowing the amount of money available I recommended him the GTX750OC card. After removing his old card and inserting the new one, when powering the computer I saw all the fans rotating and in the display the blue splash screen that comes with the HP computers appeared (a hand and a small text down on the screen asking to press ESC key to go into the boot menu). That is the last thing the computer is doing. you can press ESC or whatever but nothing happens. After looking deeper in computer tech specs I saw the power supply was giving only 300W and that the graphics card needed 400W to work. X| Do you think changing the power supply will do it? After replacing the new card for the original one again everything worked again. Any recommendation? (apart of course to stay away of relatives who ask for help in IT related issues). As a recommendation of @Kornfeld_Eliyahu_Peter, I'm posting the motherboard kind here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02978278&cc=us&destPage=document&lc=en&tmp_docname=c04169254[^] Thank you all! :thumbsup:
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Summary: It's a relatively modern motherboard and chipset, the slot type is backward compatible, just make sure it has adequate power. Details: If the card recommends 400W, I wouldn't mess with that. It will need 400W. For 300W, at best you'll get it to boot up, but it will crash and lock up for no apparent reasons. At worst, it won't boot. Yes, PCIe 3.0 IS backwards compatible, it's not just a theory. As another poster mentioned, boot in safe mode, uninstall the old driver, and delete the drivers. Place the new card in, with an adequate power supply. If there are auxiliary power ports on the video card, make sure they are supplied with the extra power they need as well. Power it up, the system should detect the card, and if it doesn't have drivers you will need to manually select from the install disk. One problem I had when installing a recent video card was the hardware ID of my card was not in the approved list of drivers, so it would not appear for me to even be able to manually install. I had to modify the driver's INF file and perform some other wizardry. If it comes to that though, check back. Finally, a bios update is always a possibility, however, I have only ever had to resort to a bios update if I found instabilities in my machine, and the bios update indicated that it might fix the issue. The bios update is the LAST thing I would attempt. Regards, Paul
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Summary: It's a relatively modern motherboard and chipset, the slot type is backward compatible, just make sure it has adequate power. Details: If the card recommends 400W, I wouldn't mess with that. It will need 400W. For 300W, at best you'll get it to boot up, but it will crash and lock up for no apparent reasons. At worst, it won't boot. Yes, PCIe 3.0 IS backwards compatible, it's not just a theory. As another poster mentioned, boot in safe mode, uninstall the old driver, and delete the drivers. Place the new card in, with an adequate power supply. If there are auxiliary power ports on the video card, make sure they are supplied with the extra power they need as well. Power it up, the system should detect the card, and if it doesn't have drivers you will need to manually select from the install disk. One problem I had when installing a recent video card was the hardware ID of my card was not in the approved list of drivers, so it would not appear for me to even be able to manually install. I had to modify the driver's INF file and perform some other wizardry. If it comes to that though, check back. Finally, a bios update is always a possibility, however, I have only ever had to resort to a bios update if I found instabilities in my machine, and the bios update indicated that it might fix the issue. The bios update is the LAST thing I would attempt. Regards, Paul
Hello Paul! Thank you for your comprehensive steps list. I'm afraid that after installing the new PSU, the problem will still be there: @Kornfeld_Eliyahu_Peter has posted this link to a youtube video in which the same problem can be seen... : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkBTSlBW2oc[^] So... I think the only real options are: 1. Return the GPU. Which I don't think it will be possible at all. 2. Buy and install a new PSU and follow all those steps... which is a PITA each time the computer must be started.
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Hello all, My brother in law asked me about a recommendation for a graphics card that would work with his computer. After searching for the computer tech specs and knowing the amount of money available I recommended him the GTX750OC card. After removing his old card and inserting the new one, when powering the computer I saw all the fans rotating and in the display the blue splash screen that comes with the HP computers appeared (a hand and a small text down on the screen asking to press ESC key to go into the boot menu). That is the last thing the computer is doing. you can press ESC or whatever but nothing happens. After looking deeper in computer tech specs I saw the power supply was giving only 300W and that the graphics card needed 400W to work. X| Do you think changing the power supply will do it? After replacing the new card for the original one again everything worked again. Any recommendation? (apart of course to stay away of relatives who ask for help in IT related issues). As a recommendation of @Kornfeld_Eliyahu_Peter, I'm posting the motherboard kind here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02978278&cc=us&destPage=document&lc=en&tmp_docname=c04169254[^] Thank you all! :thumbsup:
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Yes, but it is not just the PSU wattage you need to look at, you need to make sure the various power rails supply the amperage required. I had a similar problem a few years back, and although the PSU was technically sufficient, there were a number of 12 v rails and they weren't rated to supply the juice to the gpu plugs.
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Hello all, My brother in law asked me about a recommendation for a graphics card that would work with his computer. After searching for the computer tech specs and knowing the amount of money available I recommended him the GTX750OC card. After removing his old card and inserting the new one, when powering the computer I saw all the fans rotating and in the display the blue splash screen that comes with the HP computers appeared (a hand and a small text down on the screen asking to press ESC key to go into the boot menu). That is the last thing the computer is doing. you can press ESC or whatever but nothing happens. After looking deeper in computer tech specs I saw the power supply was giving only 300W and that the graphics card needed 400W to work. X| Do you think changing the power supply will do it? After replacing the new card for the original one again everything worked again. Any recommendation? (apart of course to stay away of relatives who ask for help in IT related issues). As a recommendation of @Kornfeld_Eliyahu_Peter, I'm posting the motherboard kind here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02978278&cc=us&destPage=document&lc=en&tmp_docname=c04169254[^] Thank you all! :thumbsup:
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As I read the first sentences of your issue I thought immediately that it was the power supply. I've experienced this same issue with 300W and needing more powerful one. Same thing fans seem to turn, lights up but nothing from computer. I believe that really is the issue. Good luck.
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Hello all, My brother in law asked me about a recommendation for a graphics card that would work with his computer. After searching for the computer tech specs and knowing the amount of money available I recommended him the GTX750OC card. After removing his old card and inserting the new one, when powering the computer I saw all the fans rotating and in the display the blue splash screen that comes with the HP computers appeared (a hand and a small text down on the screen asking to press ESC key to go into the boot menu). That is the last thing the computer is doing. you can press ESC or whatever but nothing happens. After looking deeper in computer tech specs I saw the power supply was giving only 300W and that the graphics card needed 400W to work. X| Do you think changing the power supply will do it? After replacing the new card for the original one again everything worked again. Any recommendation? (apart of course to stay away of relatives who ask for help in IT related issues). As a recommendation of @Kornfeld_Eliyahu_Peter, I'm posting the motherboard kind here: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c02978278&cc=us&destPage=document&lc=en&tmp_docname=c04169254[^] Thank you all! :thumbsup:
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Don't know if anybody has said this, but it might be the graphics drivers from the old card?...try booting in safe mode by multiple pressing the F8 key while the computer boots, you should see a Dos style menu come up that will let you choose Safe Mode (choose no graphics drivers if it gives you the option). If you can get in safe mode, un-install the old graphics drivers and reboot back to normal mode, then install your new graphics drivers and software for the new card. Not 100% sure that's what it is but if you have tried all the hardware things, it might be it.
