VS 2013 Community ISO file size is enormous
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To keep it short, I downloaded the VS 2013 Community ISO with the intention of burning to a DVD for my dad, who I'm driving to see in a couple of days, and who recently expressed a desire to try some hobby programming. I should have checked the size of the thing first, but it was on my laptop, and it was not on my bandwidth, and besides, I've done this before, and never had an issue. 5 hours later, the download finished and I now had a behemoth 6.9GB file sitting on my desktop! :wtf: Really? WTE have they packaged into this thing? (I did a search, but my google foo has failed) Well, that'll never fit on a DVD...time to get out the 16 GB (practically empty) flash drive...and fail! 'the file is too large for the destination file system' :wtf: This maybe an excuse to get a bigger flash drive, but still, does anyone else consider 6.88GB to be bloated?
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kmoorevs wrote:
WTE have they packaged into this thing?
A LOT. Now, I do have some hobby-projects at home but those are being built using SharpDevelop. One can run that from USB, it's light and pretty quick. ..because at home I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9 in my projects. All that's required there is some simple way of building, some syntax highligting and that's about it. MonoDevelop would even do the trick :)
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That's what I was going to suggest... maybe it has the entire documentation on the ISO (which you don't need if you're online).
Yeah, and if it's aimed for beginners / hobbyists that don't know any better, I could see that making since to include it in an all-in-one type of install.
Jeremy Falcon
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kmoorevs wrote:
WTE have they packaged into this thing?
A LOT. Now, I do have some hobby-projects at home but those are being built using SharpDevelop. One can run that from USB, it's light and pretty quick. ..because at home I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9 in my projects. All that's required there is some simple way of building, some syntax highligting and that's about it. MonoDevelop would even do the trick :)
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Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good. Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity. I hoping it's a lot of docs shipped with it. The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
Jeremy Falcon
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That is huge... Why doesn't he start to learn with gcc/g++? ...I would think that's a better place to start that with a big IDE. If you browse the questions (relating to the VS) on this website, a lot of them are due to people not understanding what the IDE is doing for them. Anywho, that is huge... but I guess people have little incentive to make packages small with storage getting cheaper.
Albert Holguin wrote:
Why doesn't he start to learn with gcc/g++?
He actually asked about C since that was the last language that he worked with back in the late 80's, so I was really targeting the c++ feature...then figured, wte, he has a new computer with more space and horsepower than he'll ever need, so just install everything, and this seemed to fit the bill.
Albert Holguin wrote:
people have little incentive to make packages small with storage getting cheaper
Very true!, add 'unlimited bandwidth' to the mix.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good. Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity. I hoping it's a lot of docs shipped with it. The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting
Don't forget at least two Design Patterns and a Methodology! ;)
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Just checked the ISO for VS 2013 Ultimate x86 English and it's only 2.81 GB total. That seems reasonable. Not sure what the extra 4GB is for Community. Maybe it's a sh*tload of training videos.
Jeremy Falcon
I'm curious now what they have put in there, and feeling like a trial run might be in order before I go and muck up his shiny new computer. I've got an extra Win8.1 laptop that I can test it on. Give me a few hours and I'll see if I can find the pork bacon. :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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I'm curious now what they have put in there, and feeling like a trial run might be in order before I go and muck up his shiny new computer. I've got an extra Win8.1 laptop that I can test it on. Give me a few hours and I'll see if I can find the pork bacon. :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
I looked online and the trial version of Ultimate is a DVD9 image as well. The one I have is from my old MSDN sub. So apparently, there's something extra in all versions you can download over the public web.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good. Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity. I hoping it's a lot of docs shipped with it. The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good
That's not what I said; I wouldn't want to do the azure-project at work using SharpDevelop. There's lots of WinForms, there's TFS (wouldn't dare to do without at work), the ability to shelve stuff, gated checkins, opening a mini-dump that someone made with the taskmanager (!), third-party addins (like a resource-editor that is a bit more complex than the default one) and lots more.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity.
That, to me, is Visual Studio. Write a visual file-editor, and plug it in there. Write your own TFS, hook it up. Seriously, there's an example in the VS-SDK. I don't think you can give all that power in a simpeler form. For the beast that it is, it is genius.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
You're not required to use all the file-extensions in Notepad++. If you want to stop at "txt", than that is supported too.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yeah man, we're getting too convoluted for our good
That's not what I said; I wouldn't want to do the azure-project at work using SharpDevelop. There's lots of WinForms, there's TFS (wouldn't dare to do without at work), the ability to shelve stuff, gated checkins, opening a mini-dump that someone made with the taskmanager (!), third-party addins (like a resource-editor that is a bit more complex than the default one) and lots more.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Thar be genius and elegance in simplicity.
That, to me, is Visual Studio. Write a visual file-editor, and plug it in there. Write your own TFS, hook it up. Seriously, there's an example in the VS-SDK. I don't think you can give all that power in a simpeler form. For the beast that it is, it is genius.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting.
You're not required to use all the file-extensions in Notepad++. If you want to stop at "txt", than that is supported too.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
That's not what I said;
Wait no... I'm not going through this again with you. You really need to get out more. Meet people man. Learn some social skills. :doh:
Jeremy Falcon
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A typical game is extremely graphic and audio and video heavy though. That's to be expected. Not sure what they could possibly have 7GB worth of for VS.
Jeremy Falcon
Up until last year, the largest game only required 20 GB. That's where most of them have been hovering. I've given up on buying games in the store, as cool as it is to physically possess something. When I install, its just going to initiate the download over the Internet anyway. I'm curious how much of that content is not related to the installer that needs to setup the correct environment. Then I'm curious how much of the remaining content is executable code and not embedded resources, configuration files, images etc.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
That's not what I said;
Wait no... I'm not going through this again with you. You really need to get out more. Meet people man. Learn some social skills. :doh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm not going through this again with you.
Ah, you're a veteran? :)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You really need to get out more. Meet people man.
There more people I meet, the more cynical I get. I call it experience.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Learn some social skills. :doh:
You're not just saying that because I like the VS-IDE?
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm not going through this again with you.
Ah, you're a veteran? :)
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You really need to get out more. Meet people man.
There more people I meet, the more cynical I get. I call it experience.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Learn some social skills. :doh:
You're not just saying that because I like the VS-IDE?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
There more people I meet, the more cynical I get. I call it experience.
Cynicism and over-critical defensiveness expressed as a result of not really engaging in what's being really said in the first place are not one and the same.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You're not just saying that because I like the VS-IDE?
No. It's because of your lack of tact. For the record, I too like VS. Yet, I still think 7GB is bloated.
Jeremy Falcon
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Albert Holguin wrote:
Why doesn't he start to learn with gcc/g++?
He actually asked about C since that was the last language that he worked with back in the late 80's, so I was really targeting the c++ feature...then figured, wte, he has a new computer with more space and horsepower than he'll ever need, so just install everything, and this seemed to fit the bill.
Albert Holguin wrote:
people have little incentive to make packages small with storage getting cheaper
Very true!, add 'unlimited bandwidth' to the mix.
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
Well I've used VS a lot over the years and definitely think it's one of the best products to come out of MS. With that said though, recently it seems like they're just putting out versions just to charge for upgrades (which makes me start to dislike VS).
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kmoorevs wrote:
does anyone else consider 6.88GB to be bloated?
No, not compared to the 40 GB download required for the latest installment of "Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare"
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I looked online and the trial version of Ultimate is a DVD9 image as well. The one I have is from my old MSDN sub. So apparently, there's something extra in all versions you can download over the public web.
Jeremy Falcon
So, I'm installing onto a Win8.1 system and these the installable components listed. 0: Blend 1: MFC Classes for C++ 2: SQL Server Data Tools ? 3: MS Web Developer Tools 4: Tools for Maintaining Store Apps for Win8 5: Silverlight Development Kit 6: Windows Phone 8.0 SDK This laptop already had SQL 2012 and 2014 installed, so I'm not sure I'll be able to tell what SQL Server Data Tools are part of the install...Install is running...we'll see. :)
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
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To keep it short, I downloaded the VS 2013 Community ISO with the intention of burning to a DVD for my dad, who I'm driving to see in a couple of days, and who recently expressed a desire to try some hobby programming. I should have checked the size of the thing first, but it was on my laptop, and it was not on my bandwidth, and besides, I've done this before, and never had an issue. 5 hours later, the download finished and I now had a behemoth 6.9GB file sitting on my desktop! :wtf: Really? WTE have they packaged into this thing? (I did a search, but my google foo has failed) Well, that'll never fit on a DVD...time to get out the 16 GB (practically empty) flash drive...and fail! 'the file is too large for the destination file system' :wtf: This maybe an excuse to get a bigger flash drive, but still, does anyone else consider 6.88GB to be bloated?
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
I downloaded the VS 2015 CTP this weekend and it is also about that large. I copied it to a USB backup drive thingy. To make matters worse, I tried the same with SQL Server 2014 and it refused to run unless I burned it to a DVD. :mad:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The thought of using 35 different frameworks for Hello World seems rather daunting
Don't forget at least two Design Patterns and a Methodology! ;)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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kmoorevs wrote:
WTE have they packaged into this thing?
A LOT. Now, I do have some hobby-projects at home but those are being built using SharpDevelop. One can run that from USB, it's light and pretty quick. ..because at home I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9 in my projects. All that's required there is some simple way of building, some syntax highligting and that's about it. MonoDevelop would even do the trick :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I do not need a state-of-the-art IDE; there's no TFS to integrate, no IIS to contact, no EF6 nor MMMVC9
Nor in most of what I do.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
some syntax highligting
Nope, not even that. I just want Turbo C#. :-D
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That's what I was going to suggest... maybe it has the entire documentation on the ISO (which you don't need if you're online).
Albert Holguin wrote:
maybe it has the entire documentation on the ISO
For the past few years, "the entire documentation" for VS has only been ten bytes in size: "google.com".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Albert Holguin wrote:
maybe it has the entire documentation on the ISO
For the past few years, "the entire documentation" for VS has only been ten bytes in size: "google.com".
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
ten twenty bytes
FTFY. For C#, that is.
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