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  • G Gittum

    And what happens in future? Will there be any OS to compete with Windows and then change the scenario!!

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    Lost User
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    People will keep betting on the market-leader. Meaning the market-leader will stay exactly that, regardless of quality.

    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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    • G Gittum

      Just wanted to know what ppl think abt it! :doh:

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      We don't believe it.

      Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell

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      • G Gittum

        And what happens in future? Will there be any OS to compete with Windows and then change the scenario!!

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        You are talking about Personal Computers, but the time are changing. Younger people have mostly a smartphone or tablet and on these devices is Android or iOS most of the times. Do you know Kodak?

        Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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        • K KarstenK

          You are talking about Personal Computers, but the time are changing. Younger people have mostly a smartphone or tablet and on these devices is Android or iOS most of the times. Do you know Kodak?

          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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          KarstenK wrote:

          Do you know Kodak?

          Watzdat?

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          • L Lost User

            People will keep betting on the market-leader. Meaning the market-leader will stay exactly that, regardless of quality.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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            Nicholas Marty
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            It's not only betting on the market-leader. You stay market-leader by providing better quality than your competitors. And quality in regards to operating systems includes more than just system stability. You have to consider the number of available software (and it's quality), backwards compatibility and so on as well. You can write a completely bug-free OS if you want and you won't sell a copy of it unless your customers are actually able to run the software they need on it. Of course software companies tend to write for operating system of the market-leader first, which in turn makes it kinda difficult for other OS publishers.

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              This is the wrong place for such questions. We don't have any psychics or crystal balls here. Only Crystal Reports sometimes.

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              This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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              CDP1802 wrote:

              Only Crystal Reports sometimes.

              Yeah, well, that's not psychic - that's sorcery or black magic! Nobody ever knows if it works - and how! And nobody wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole... :doh:

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              • G Gittum

                And what happens in future? Will there be any OS to compete with Windows and then change the scenario!!

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                GuyThiebaut
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                Member 9441074 wrote:

                Microsoft's principal products running on nearly 90 percent of the world's computers

                Citation required... I would say from anecdotal evidence that the percentage is smaller... apparently...

                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                  HobbyProggy wrote:

                  invisible pink unicorns?

                  That's the desktop-theme of the latest Linux distro

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                  Brady Kelly
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                  The twitter handle for the EF team at MS is, yes, @efmagicunicorns. :laugh:

                  No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde

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                  • K KarstenK

                    You are talking about Personal Computers, but the time are changing. Younger people have mostly a smartphone or tablet and on these devices is Android or iOS most of the times. Do you know Kodak?

                    Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                    Lost User
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                    Not really a good comparison; there was an alternative for the Kodak-product. A laptop or phone is no replacement for a personal computer.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Member 9441074 wrote:

                      Microsoft's principal products running on nearly 90 percent of the world's computers

                      Citation required... I would say from anecdotal evidence that the percentage is smaller... apparently...

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      Gittum
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                      http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-at-40-read-bill-gates-anniversary-email-to-employees/[^] Written there!

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                      • N Nicholas Marty

                        It's not only betting on the market-leader. You stay market-leader by providing better quality than your competitors. And quality in regards to operating systems includes more than just system stability. You have to consider the number of available software (and it's quality), backwards compatibility and so on as well. You can write a completely bug-free OS if you want and you won't sell a copy of it unless your customers are actually able to run the software they need on it. Of course software companies tend to write for operating system of the market-leader first, which in turn makes it kinda difficult for other OS publishers.

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                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                        You have to consider the number of available software (and it's quality), backwards compatibility and so on as well.

                        That is way they will stay market-leader. If said manager has to look for application-software, he'll end up with Microsoft again. That means that most documentation and tutorials are aimed at, you guessed it, Microsoft products. It is one of the advantages of having a monopoly.

                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                        You can write a completely bug-free OS

                        No, that is impossible. No software-vendor will have NASA's resources, and even they make mistakes that cost lives. So, unless you can beat NASA on a lower budget, you won't have bug-free software.

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                        • K KarstenK

                          You are talking about Personal Computers, but the time are changing. Younger people have mostly a smartphone or tablet and on these devices is Android or iOS most of the times. Do you know Kodak?

                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                          Gittum
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                          You are right obviously. Microsoft is also trying in the same field, for example Microsoft Surface is in a good position now!

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                          • G Gittum

                            Just wanted to know what ppl think abt it! :doh:

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                            Since Windows 8 I prefer not to think about Mickeysoft.

                            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
                            This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
                            "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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                            • G Gittum

                              And what happens in future? Will there be any OS to compete with Windows and then change the scenario!!

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                              Maximilien
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                              http://xkcd.com/1508/[^] :rolleyes:

                              I'd rather be phishing!

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                                Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                You have to consider the number of available software (and it's quality), backwards compatibility and so on as well.

                                That is way they will stay market-leader. If said manager has to look for application-software, he'll end up with Microsoft again. That means that most documentation and tutorials are aimed at, you guessed it, Microsoft products. It is one of the advantages of having a monopoly.

                                Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                You can write a completely bug-free OS

                                No, that is impossible. No software-vendor will have NASA's resources, and even they make mistakes that cost lives. So, unless you can beat NASA on a lower budget, you won't have bug-free software.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                Nicholas Marty
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                                Yeah, my criticism was more aimed at the "regardless of quality" bit of your first response. I'm just saying quality involves a lot of things (and is probably also pretty subjective). When I have to consider which OS I want, I factor many things in. All of which contribute to the "quality": - Does it run on my hardware? (And is there driver support from the hardware vendors for this OS?) - Is it reasonably stable? (I can live with an occasional software or system crash, as long as it doesn't occur too often) - Can it run programs X, Y and Z that I already use and like to continue use? - Is it providing a similiar User Interface that I'm already used to, so I will feel at home soon enough? - Are there known and open security flaws, and if there are, will they be fixed? and so on. I want the OS that suits my needs best (or in other words "has in my opinion the highest quality"). You could conclude, that being the market-leader is a part of their quality as well ;)

                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                No, that is impossible.

                                In a hypotetical sense of course :laugh: And I think a completely bug-free OS IS possible. It just might not do anything (useful) at all ;)

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                                • G Gittum

                                  Just wanted to know what ppl think abt it! :doh:

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                                  W Balboos GHB
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                                  One thing we think about is observing the gibberish you used to post. Use real words. Capitalization and spelling are also appreciated. This place isn't for posting in text formats, and despite all the squawking, not for tweet-style, either. In other words, use words!

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                                  • G Gittum

                                    http://www.cnet.com/news/microsoft-at-40-read-bill-gates-anniversary-email-to-employees/[^] Written there!

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                                    The quality of grammar in the article pretty much spoke to me of the validity of the content: "Today, that company, Microsoft, has more than 125,000 employees, a sprawling 8-million-square-foot campus outside Seattle and its principal products running on nearly 90 percent of the world's computers. It's the third-most valuable company in the world, behind only oil giant Exxon Mobil and longtime competitor Apple." What is it with all those commas and hyphenated "8-million-square-foot" mumbo jumbo? The actual citation is from clickety[^]. The quote is about personal computers and not all computers." I am starting to think that CNET may be the Daily mail(British paper for those of limited intellect) of the IT world when it comes to journalism.

                                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                                      One thing we think about is observing the gibberish you used to post. Use real words. Capitalization and spelling are also appreciated. This place isn't for posting in text formats, and despite all the squawking, not for tweet-style, either. In other words, use words!

                                      "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                      "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                      "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                      I got it! Now it's easy to get things automatically corrected!!! Gibberish Classification Algorithm[^]

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                                      • N Nicholas Marty

                                        Yeah, my criticism was more aimed at the "regardless of quality" bit of your first response. I'm just saying quality involves a lot of things (and is probably also pretty subjective). When I have to consider which OS I want, I factor many things in. All of which contribute to the "quality": - Does it run on my hardware? (And is there driver support from the hardware vendors for this OS?) - Is it reasonably stable? (I can live with an occasional software or system crash, as long as it doesn't occur too often) - Can it run programs X, Y and Z that I already use and like to continue use? - Is it providing a similiar User Interface that I'm already used to, so I will feel at home soon enough? - Are there known and open security flaws, and if there are, will they be fixed? and so on. I want the OS that suits my needs best (or in other words "has in my opinion the highest quality"). You could conclude, that being the market-leader is a part of their quality as well ;)

                                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                        No, that is impossible.

                                        In a hypotetical sense of course :laugh: And I think a completely bug-free OS IS possible. It just might not do anything (useful) at all ;)

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                                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                        When I have to consider which OS I want, I factor many things in.

                                        Yeah, same list as I was thought in school, but that is not how the world works. There's no testing on stability, no stats to compare. If it runs Microsoft Office, then it is accepted. Bing, welcome Windows.

                                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                        Is it providing a similiar User Interface that I'm already used to, so I will feel at home soon enough?

                                        Yeah, it saves money if you don't have to re-educate the users, saves time, frustration - but marketing will tell you that no-one will buy it if it looks "old". See Win8 and its start-menu. See Vista and Aero.

                                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                        You could conclude, that being the market-leader is a part of their quality as well ;)

                                        No, I'll conclude that having a monopoly-position nearly guarantees a monopoly-position. Unless you're an IBM or Netscape, in which case even that is not enough to survive.

                                        Nicholas Marty wrote:

                                        And I think a completely bug-free OS IS possible.

                                        Only in theory. You'd need a bigger budget than NASA (already clear on that point it would not be commercial), and you would still not be able to prove that it does not contain bugs.

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                          And what happens in future? Will there be any OS to compete with Windows and then change the scenario!!

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                                          1997 called, they want their headline back.

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