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    Fortran V.

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    Garth J Lancaster
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    yay !! lets hear it for number crunching - anyone for RPG ?

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    • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

      The wars that have been going on since the development of C++ has been going on in between those who praise C and those who praise C++; nice conversation with Linus Torvalds of other preachers[^]. By the way, I am with C! ;P

      The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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      BillWoodruff
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      As long as you keep posting links to intended-to-piss-people-off seven-year old articles: well, yes, the war is still on ... at least in your head :) cheers, Bill

      «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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        As long as you keep posting links to intended-to-piss-people-off seven-year old articles: well, yes, the war is still on ... at least in your head :) cheers, Bill

        «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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        He's just a bit behind the times... :laugh: :thumbsup:

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          yay !! lets hear it for number crunching - anyone for RPG ?

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          You think a Rocket Propelled Grenade might improve code quality? Could be right if you aim it at QA querists... :-D

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            By the way, I am with C!

            good for you - I am with whatever language enables me to model an abstract idea in my head and turn it into something a computer can work with - at the moment, c# fits the bill, although Im not adverse to c++, c or a slew of other things as required (obviously I have my 'preferences', but I'll keep an open mind if I cant solve a situation using what Im comfortable with 'right now')

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            Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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            C# prophecy is yet to come; so they don't fight right now! ;P

            The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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            • B BillWoodruff

              As long as you keep posting links to intended-to-piss-people-off seven-year old articles: well, yes, the war is still on ... at least in your head :) cheers, Bill

              «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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              Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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              True, but that was still amazing how people would fight for nothing. ;)

              The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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              • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                The wars that have been going on since the development of C++ has been going on in between those who praise C and those who praise C++; nice conversation with Linus Torvalds of other preachers[^]. By the way, I am with C! ;P

                The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in. The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side. Marc

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                  I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in. The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side. Marc

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                  Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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                  Nice saying... :) By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense? Bad programmer would always make bad programs.

                  The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                  • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                    The wars that have been going on since the development of C++ has been going on in between those who praise C and those who praise C++; nice conversation with Linus Torvalds of other preachers[^]. By the way, I am with C! ;P

                    The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                    Mr. Torvalds may be the super smart creator of Linux and Git (quite a feat, I'll give him that!), he's still an asshole :) The best mr. Kakurin could've done was just ignore such rudeness. By the way, I believe mr. Torvalds is aware that he's an asshole and he's pretty much okay with it.

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                    Regards, Sander

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in. The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side. Marc

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                      Assembly, sure. But even PHP?

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                        I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in. The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side. Marc

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                        Marc Clifton wrote:

                        if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even especially assembler) that you're working in

                        FTFY :-D

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                        • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                          Nice saying... :) By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense? Bad programmer would always make bad programs.

                          The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                          Not necessarily - they could get lucky. Doesn't happen very often (if at all) but it could. Conversely, it's very easy for a good programmer to create a total pile of steaming waset material if he doesn't pay attention.

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                            Nice saying... :) By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense? Bad programmer would always make bad programs.

                            The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:

                            By the way, how can bad programmer in, bad program out make sense?

                            Erm, like most pithy sayings, one shouldn't think too hard upon them. Marc

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                              Assembly, sure. But even PHP?

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              harold aptroot wrote:

                              But even PHP?

                              Actually yes. I took some really crappy PHP that someone had written on a project I was working on and turned into well documented, nicely encapsulated, and most importantly of all, unit-testable code. So, as it turns out, PHP is decent, it's just the abuses of the idiot that wrote the PHP code that gave me a bad taste for the language at first. I'm also really impressed with the online documentation, particularly the actually useful additions that people contribute to the docs. That's quite rare. Marc

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                                He's just a bit behind the times... :laugh: :thumbsup:

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                                Yeah. C# won the war.

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                                • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                                  The wars that have been going on since the development of C++ has been going on in between those who praise C and those who praise C++; nice conversation with Linus Torvalds of other preachers[^]. By the way, I am with C! ;P

                                  The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                                  With all the bickering over languages and technology, I wonder when any real programming gets done. :sigh: BTW, my car is faster than your car. :-D

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Mr. Torvalds may be the super smart creator of Linux and Git (quite a feat, I'll give him that!), he's still an asshole :) The best mr. Kakurin could've done was just ignore such rudeness. By the way, I believe mr. Torvalds is aware that he's an asshole and he's pretty much okay with it.

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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                                    I won't find it compelling for he create Linux or Git, because I don't use either one of them. :laugh: I use Windows and Team Foundation Server; Microsoft geek I am?

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                                      With all the bickering over languages and technology, I wonder when any real programming gets done. :sigh: BTW, my car is faster than your car. :-D

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                                      Mladen Jankovic
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                                      Slacker007 wrote:

                                      BTW, my car is faster than your car

                                      And mine is bigger then yours. Wait, are we still talking about cars? ;P

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                                        By the way, I am with C!

                                        good for you - I am with whatever language enables me to model an abstract idea in my head and turn it into something a computer can work with - at the moment, c# fits the bill, although Im not adverse to c++, c or a slew of other things as required (obviously I have my 'preferences', but I'll keep an open mind if I cant solve a situation using what Im comfortable with 'right now')

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                                        Both have there place!

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                                        • M Marc Clifton

                                          I prefer a metaview -- your choice of language will not make you a better programmer. Conversely, if you are a proficient programmer, you can apply good programming practices regardless of the language (even assembler) that you're working in. The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side. Marc

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                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          The expression "garbage in, garbage out" is one side of the coin. "bad programmer in, bad program out" is the other side.

                                          That is a signature-quotable Marcism if I've ever seen one ! Congratulations. I am tempted to say that: if the hand that holds the coin is ignorant enough they may not even know which side of the coin is which, let alone the denomination of the coin. But, I decided not to say that. Whilst reading your remarks a little voice in my head kept reminding me of your recent (excellent) rants about working in Ruby, but I think those were by the other Marc :) cheers, Bill

                                          «To kill an error's as good a service, sometimes better than, establishing new truth or fact.» Charles Darwin in "Prospero's Precepts"

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