Future of C++ and Windows Programming :: C++
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kuphryn wrote: _According to several articles on the future of Windows development, .NET is taking over Windows. http://www.codeproject.com/interview/interview\_msdn\_0103.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats/vstudio/vstudio\_121802.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642737,00.asp_ Which reminds me the poor level of free articles, wherever they come from. .NET is a virtual machine + a class library sitting on top of Windows. .NET is a WIN32 client, not the opposite, and I can't figure out how many tens of ghz CPU you would need in order to make an hypothetic .NET-centric OS run seamlessly (not to mention the GBs of source code you would need to make this happen).
The java true bleivers have been sticking to the same thing for years...."just you wait till we get a native JAVA OS....blah blah blah" Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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The java true bleivers have been sticking to the same thing for years...."just you wait till we get a native JAVA OS....blah blah blah" Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
What they don't tell you is that it has been out for a while. They are still waiting for it to boot. :) The Ten Commandments For C Programmers
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With everything going web based I predict that everything will be one big client side Javascript app. The meek shall inherit the desktop. cheers, Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote: The meek shall inherit the desktop. Shouldn't that be the weak (coder) shall inherit the desktop. And since when was inheritence part of JavaScript ;-) Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
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Chris Maunder wrote: The meek shall inherit the desktop. Shouldn't that be the weak (coder) shall inherit the desktop. And since when was inheritence part of JavaScript ;-) Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
Michael P Butler wrote: since when was inheritence part of JavaScript Isn't that in JScript.NET?;) Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.
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Chris Maunder wrote: The meek shall inherit the desktop. Shouldn't that be the weak (coder) shall inherit the desktop. And since when was inheritence part of JavaScript ;-) Michael 'War is at best barbarism...Its glory is all moonshine. It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation. War is hell.' - General William Sherman, 1879
I was trying to find a way to slip in an inheritants joke with Javascript but just couldn't get one to work... cheers, Chris Maunder
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What they don't tell you is that it has been out for a while. They are still waiting for it to boot. :) The Ten Commandments For C Programmers
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What they don't tell you is that it has been out for a while. They are still waiting for it to boot. :) The Ten Commandments For C Programmers
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kuphryn wrote: What the heck is up with people liking Java and .NET? Ease of use No memory leaks Fewer crashes Easier to learn for newbies Requires less amount of hard work to master Does not require high IQ Garbage collection Massive class library MS marketing Nish
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About Java: Nishant S wrote: Does not require high IQ Easier to learn for newbies Ease of use In that I agree, because the interface is a lot more simple than C++, and for most purposes Java is sufficient. Nishant S wrote: Requires less amount of hard work to master This is where disagree. You are assuming that you only have to master a programming language to be a master programmer. But there are a lot of other skills required: 1) The ability to write code that is easy to read and understand. 2) Knowledge of patterns and the ability to know when to apply them. 3) To be able to model a real world problem into code. 4) A general understanding of Database, Operating systems and communication techniques. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus
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Am I? :D cheers, Chris Maunder
I can't remember a post from you where you aren't being sarcastic. But I love it, anyway...
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At least we offer a money back guarantee. cheers, Chris Maunder
Lotsa PR lately. After all, Cp is a MS site, so I guess it's ok. The only thing I would hate is that it comes to the point it behaves like this C|Net whore.
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Hi. I posted a topic a few days ago about the future of COM. Overall, most responses implied that COM in general has and will become .NET legacy. The bottomline is Microsoft is dropping COM for .NET. Microsoft will release Longhorn and I am sure they are working on other versions of their line of OS. According to several articles on the future of Windows development, .NET is taking over Windows. http://www.codeproject.com/interview/interview\_msdn\_0103.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats/vstudio/vstudio\_121802.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642737,00.asp What is the future of C++ programming in Windows? Microsoft can make C++ obsolete under Windows as they push .NET. I have no problem with .NET. I am just curious about C++ programming in Windows because, well, it is fun! Thanks, Kuphryn
My opinion is that C++ will slowly decline *for new projects* over the next 10 years or so. It's certainly not going away, and it's by no means dead for new projects, but it will become harder and harder to justify as being the best option. For high performance apps C# and VB will become much more common as they offer good enough performance and are much easier to learn/write/debug than C++. The .NET runtime is putting people of for now but in a couple of years it will be as common as the C runtime library which nobody even thinks about how it gets installed any more. For many other windows application I think things like Python will become much more common. For speed and ease of development these kind of languages can't be beaten and it's starting to look to me like python might be the first langauge of this type to achieve enough critical mass of development to break into the mainstream for real applications. Once you've used a language with automatic memory management it's hard to go back. And there are fewer and fewer reasons to need to any more.
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Hi. I posted a topic a few days ago about the future of COM. Overall, most responses implied that COM in general has and will become .NET legacy. The bottomline is Microsoft is dropping COM for .NET. Microsoft will release Longhorn and I am sure they are working on other versions of their line of OS. According to several articles on the future of Windows development, .NET is taking over Windows. http://www.codeproject.com/interview/interview\_msdn\_0103.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats/vstudio/vstudio\_121802.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642737,00.asp What is the future of C++ programming in Windows? Microsoft can make C++ obsolete under Windows as they push .NET. I have no problem with .NET. I am just curious about C++ programming in Windows because, well, it is fun! Thanks, Kuphryn
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With everything going web based I predict that everything will be one big client side Javascript app. The meek shall inherit the desktop. cheers, Chris Maunder
Dude, you have it wrong. With everything going web it will all be one big client side is Flash MX remoting app, with ActionScript. *drool* :rolleyes:
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I suspect if you get a job at Microsoft and develop the .Net runtime you will still be able to use C++ :)
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Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life!Paul Watt wrote: I suspect if you get a job at Microsoft and develop the .Net runtime you will still be able to use C++ Look at Rotor's source. You'll become disappointed. Mostly made in C#.
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Hi. I posted a topic a few days ago about the future of COM. Overall, most responses implied that COM in general has and will become .NET legacy. The bottomline is Microsoft is dropping COM for .NET. Microsoft will release Longhorn and I am sure they are working on other versions of their line of OS. According to several articles on the future of Windows development, .NET is taking over Windows. http://www.codeproject.com/interview/interview\_msdn\_0103.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats/vstudio/vstudio\_121802.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642737,00.asp What is the future of C++ programming in Windows? Microsoft can make C++ obsolete under Windows as they push .NET. I have no problem with .NET. I am just curious about C++ programming in Windows because, well, it is fun! Thanks, Kuphryn
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I suspect if you get a job at Microsoft and develop the .Net runtime you will still be able to use C++ :)
Build a man a fire, and he will be warm for a day
Light a man on fire, and he will be warm for the rest of his life! -
Hi. I posted a topic a few days ago about the future of COM. Overall, most responses implied that COM in general has and will become .NET legacy. The bottomline is Microsoft is dropping COM for .NET. Microsoft will release Longhorn and I am sure they are working on other versions of their line of OS. According to several articles on the future of Windows development, .NET is taking over Windows. http://www.codeproject.com/interview/interview\_msdn\_0103.asp http://msdn.microsoft.com/chats/vstudio/vstudio\_121802.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,642737,00.asp What is the future of C++ programming in Windows? Microsoft can make C++ obsolete under Windows as they push .NET. I have no problem with .NET. I am just curious about C++ programming in Windows because, well, it is fun! Thanks, Kuphryn
C++ is, and probably will always be, the best, all around, programming language ever crafted. However, I would also have to say that most Windows apps simply do not require the complexity of C++. You should'nt need to know anything about templates, for example, just to populate a form with some data from a database. For most Windows apps, C++ is overkill. Since I consider myself more of a Windows application developer than a programmer per se, I have happily made the transition to C#/.NET. I was never keen on VB, for all the obvious reasons, and Java is just a joke waiting for a punch line, but C# seems adequate for most of what I need to do. So, to answer your question, I do beleive that C++ will continue to thrive wherever raw power, elegance and speed are essential. But we Windows programmers gave up on those things a long time ago, so C++ will decline in importance in our world. "My job is to protect America" George W. Bush.
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kuphryn wrote: Oh, you mean you dont have to be a programmer to learn VB, Java and .NET? Okay. Hell real programmers write in assembly; who needs this high-level C++ crap. ;) Don't be ignorant, anybody can learn any language, where real programming comes to play is efficiently implementing a solution within a set of arbitrary constraints. That only comes from experience and the humility to ask questions. You can try to make yourself feel good because you know a language but that doesn't prove that you know how to program or that you have a high IQ. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
didn't I read on this board that real programmers write in assembly expert programmers write in binary and hardcore programmers write in 0's (big ones and little ones)
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
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My opinion is that C++ will slowly decline *for new projects* over the next 10 years or so. It's certainly not going away, and it's by no means dead for new projects, but it will become harder and harder to justify as being the best option. For high performance apps C# and VB will become much more common as they offer good enough performance and are much easier to learn/write/debug than C++. The .NET runtime is putting people of for now but in a couple of years it will be as common as the C runtime library which nobody even thinks about how it gets installed any more. For many other windows application I think things like Python will become much more common. For speed and ease of development these kind of languages can't be beaten and it's starting to look to me like python might be the first langauge of this type to achieve enough critical mass of development to break into the mainstream for real applications. Once you've used a language with automatic memory management it's hard to go back. And there are fewer and fewer reasons to need to any more.
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One advantage I have had using .NET for application development is, its library is so vast that lots of things are readymade. You can always concentrate on the programming logic without having to waste your time on developing libraries for implementation. Smitha The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams. --Eleanor Roosevelt
unless you're using the Compact Framework - where MS seem to have gone out of their way to remove the useful stuff - should be called the Crippled Framework.
Technically speaking the dictionary would define Visual Basic users as programmers.
But here again, a very generalized, liberal definition is being employed and it's wrong
- just plain wrong - Tom Archer 5/12/02