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  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

    JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    kmoorevs
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    The only thing worse is scripting javascript with PHP. :laugh: It's difficult to escape!

    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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      The only thing worse is scripting javascript with PHP. :laugh: It's difficult to escape!

      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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      Sander Rossel
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      kmoorevs wrote:

      scripting javascript with PHP. :laugh:

      Don't know if I should laugh or cry ;p

      kmoorevs wrote:

      It's difficult to escape!

      Try this[^] ;)

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        Smart K8
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        Feel secured knowing that there's only the Dark Side in that (AJAX) arena, Luke. :laugh:

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          kmoorevs wrote:

          scripting javascript with PHP. :laugh:

          Don't know if I should laugh or cry ;p

          kmoorevs wrote:

          It's difficult to escape!

          Try this[^] ;)

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          Thought this would make a nice \'escape\'. Their Names Escape Me[^]

          "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Lost User
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            I know how you feel. A terrible language, half baked libraries, browsers with strange behavior and zools that are a pain to work with (even when they work). The stuff of which the future programming horrors are made.

            The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
            This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
            "I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Actually, JavaScript is very powerful. I thought I knew JavaScript until I read "JavaScript the Complete Reference", or some such book. I then learned how much I didn't know about JavaScript. It is a very powerful language that everyone should try to know, and I don't mean copying from the internet. I mean trying to understand the capabilities of the language.

              Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                Actually, JavaScript is very powerful. I thought I knew JavaScript until I read "JavaScript the Complete Reference", or some such book. I then learned how much I didn't know about JavaScript. It is a very powerful language that everyone should try to know, and I don't mean copying from the internet. I mean trying to understand the capabilities of the language.

                Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                Sander Rossel
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                It's only as powerful as the interpreter makes it. Other than that it's a loosely typed language that gives you nothing, silently handles errors, often doesn't even recognize errors as errors (undefined variable, now it's defined!) and is often very unpredictable. Well, this website[^] says it all really. The only reason JavaScript is so "powerful" is because it's the only option you have for front-end web development. That's why everyone knows JavaScript. And that's why every vendor wants to support it. It's going to be the language for the IoT. It's going to be the new language for embedded development. It's going to be the new language for server side development. It's going to be the new language to query (NoSQL) databases. It's going to be the language that will plunge us into a dark age of programming! Well, I admit there are times when I like JavaScript. But mostly it makes up for very fragile code that blows up in your face because you misspelled a variable name, doesn't tell you about it, but gives you (really very wrong) results anyway.

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan
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                  If JavaScript is path to dark side, would jQuery be the devil? What would Angular.js be and what role would be played by Modernizr? When C# seems to look like JavaScript, you should get some rest. :)

                  The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                    Thought this would make a nice \'escape\'. Their Names Escape Me[^]

                    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    Had to squint to read Spock's Beard! I must admit I really listen to a whole lot of music genres (really, from black/death/thrash metal to hardstyle/dance/trance/dubstep to trip hop/chill out to hip hop/rap to classical), but progressive rock is one of the very few genres I really can't listen to... X|

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    • A Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan

                      If JavaScript is path to dark side, would jQuery be the devil? What would Angular.js be and what role would be played by Modernizr? When C# seems to look like JavaScript, you should get some rest. :)

                      The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~

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                      Sander Rossel
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                      jQuery, Angular, Modernizr, what-have-you... All Sith Lords of course! ;)

                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                      Regards, Sander

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        It's only as powerful as the interpreter makes it. Other than that it's a loosely typed language that gives you nothing, silently handles errors, often doesn't even recognize errors as errors (undefined variable, now it's defined!) and is often very unpredictable. Well, this website[^] says it all really. The only reason JavaScript is so "powerful" is because it's the only option you have for front-end web development. That's why everyone knows JavaScript. And that's why every vendor wants to support it. It's going to be the language for the IoT. It's going to be the new language for embedded development. It's going to be the new language for server side development. It's going to be the new language to query (NoSQL) databases. It's going to be the language that will plunge us into a dark age of programming! Well, I admit there are times when I like JavaScript. But mostly it makes up for very fragile code that blows up in your face because you misspelled a variable name, doesn't tell you about it, but gives you (really very wrong) results anyway.

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        You need to internalize your anger, and then step back and try to be objective :-D

                        Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                          You need to internalize your anger, and then step back and try to be objective :-D

                          Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                          Sander Rossel
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                          JimmyRopes wrote:

                          try to be objective

                          Don't get my started on 'OOP' in JavaScript X|

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                            JimmyRopes wrote:

                            try to be objective

                            Don't get my started on 'OOP' in JavaScript X|

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                            JimmyRopes
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                            Sander Rossel wrote:

                            Don't get my started on 'OOP' in JavaScript

                            Obviously you don't understand the capabilities of the language. Keep your hate speech to yourself. :doh:

                            Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              Camilo Reyes
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                              There is beauty in the language. To me it feels like when you get sour lemons you make tasty lemonade. Have you encountered this[^]?

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                Marc Clifton
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                                One word: Dart[^] Next project :) Marc

                                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                  One word: Dart[^] Next project :) Marc

                                  Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                  Sander Rossel
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                                  I've been meaning to check out Dart! And TypeScript! :D

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    It's only as powerful as the interpreter makes it. Other than that it's a loosely typed language that gives you nothing, silently handles errors, often doesn't even recognize errors as errors (undefined variable, now it's defined!) and is often very unpredictable. Well, this website[^] says it all really. The only reason JavaScript is so "powerful" is because it's the only option you have for front-end web development. That's why everyone knows JavaScript. And that's why every vendor wants to support it. It's going to be the language for the IoT. It's going to be the new language for embedded development. It's going to be the new language for server side development. It's going to be the new language to query (NoSQL) databases. It's going to be the language that will plunge us into a dark age of programming! Well, I admit there are times when I like JavaScript. But mostly it makes up for very fragile code that blows up in your face because you misspelled a variable name, doesn't tell you about it, but gives you (really very wrong) results anyway.

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    enhzflep
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                                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                                    often doesn't even recognize errors as errors (undefined variable, now it's defined!)

                                    Laughs. Not familiar with "use strict";?

                                    "When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down 'happy'. They told me I didn't understand the assignment, and I told them they didn't understand life." - John Lennon

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                                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                                      often doesn't even recognize errors as errors (undefined variable, now it's defined!)

                                      Laughs. Not familiar with "use strict";?

                                      "When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that happiness was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down 'happy'. They told me I didn't understand the assignment, and I told them they didn't understand life." - John Lennon

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                                      Sander Rossel
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                                      I am, but it makes it only a tiny bit better. It doesn't make a loosely typed language static :)

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      • J JimmyRopes

                                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                                        Don't get my started on 'OOP' in JavaScript

                                        Obviously you don't understand the capabilities of the language. Keep your hate speech to yourself. :doh:

                                        Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                                        Sander Rossel
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                                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                                        Obviously you don't understand the capabilities of the language.

                                        Not sure why you think so, but I actually do. That's why I love it as long as I'm not writing it :)

                                        JimmyRopes wrote:

                                        Keep your hate speech to yourself. :doh:

                                        Like any other on the interwebs I'm entitled to my public hate speech! Just be glad I'm sophisticated enough to leave your mother out of it. Especially after your pretty rude comment directed at me :laugh: Lighten up dude, I write about JavaScript (Node at the moment) in my blog and I'm sometimes pretty positive about it. Just not today. That said I am planning to looking into TypeScript which, I hope, will take most of the pain out of JavaScript.

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                          JavaScript is the path to the Dark Side. JavaScript leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering. And suffer I do... :sigh: Yoda was wrong about one thing though. Do or do not. There is no try. It seems with JavaScript I keep on trying and trying, but ultimately it gets the job done... On some browsers anyway. The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript that I sometimes forget it's not JavaScript :~

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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                                          Agent__007
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                                          Any swear words towards JavaScript and the post receives an upvote from Agent_007. :thumbsup:

                                          Sander Rossel wrote:

                                          The worst part is that when I switch to C# it looks so much like JavaScript

                                          Seriously? :doh:

                                          You have just been Sharapova'd.

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