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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Wouldn't work in this house: some of the switches are "top for off", others are "bottom for off"...:sigh: One of these days I'll sort it out, but I'm afraid the writing won't take changes and I don't want to have to redecorate... :laugh:

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    Jorgen Andersson
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    Well, he didn't state top or bottom, he stated off. :)

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      Two ways I can think of: 1) Look at the effect of each switch on other lights in the house. The one that doesn't have any effect is the attic one (or a bulb is blown) 2) Send the wife up to the attic and tell her to yell when the light goes on!

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      Those are practical solutions, not adjusted for silly puzzles. My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        Those are practical solutions, not adjusted for silly puzzles. My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        I'm a practical person! :laugh:

        Jörgen Andersson wrote:

        My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

        Too many spiders? (Can't stand the venomous little buggers, myself)

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        • J Jorgen Andersson

          Well, he didn't state top or bottom, he stated off. :)

          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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          OriginalGriff
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          If you don't know what they control, you don't know which way is on... ;)

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            I'm a practical person! :laugh:

            Jörgen Andersson wrote:

            My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

            Too many spiders? (Can't stand the venomous little buggers, myself)

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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            Jorgen Andersson
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            Mice traps, or rather the reason for them.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              If you don't know what they control, you don't know which way is on... ;)

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              OriginalGriff wrote:

              If you don't know what they control, you don't know which way is on

              So if you know that they control a lamp in the attic... :doh:

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                What's the purpose of going to the attic if you cannot go back to the switches afterward?

                The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                • J Jorgen Andersson

                  Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  R Giskard Reventlov
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                  I send a drone to the attic with a camera so I can see which switch switches the light on.

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                    The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                    Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      if the light is incandescent or halogen, it will get hot if left on. so switch on the first switch, and get distracted for 10 minutes, switch it off, switch on the next one and race upstairs. If the light is on, it is that 2nd switch. If it is off but hot, it was the first switch. Else it is the third switch. If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        Two ways I can think of: 1) Look at the effect of each switch on other lights in the house. The one that doesn't have any effect is the attic one (or a bulb is blown) 2) Send the wife up to the attic and tell her to yell when the light goes on!

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                        JimmyRopes
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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        Send the wife up to the attic and tell her to yell when the light goes on!

                        :thumbsup:

                        Once you lose your pride the rest is easy. In the end, only three things matter: how much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of things not meant for you. – Buddha

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                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                          Those are practical solutions, not adjusted for silly puzzles. My wife wouldn't go up to the attic in any case.

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                          Yup, same goes to my wife, she wont do it in any case :)

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                          • J Jorgen Andersson

                            Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            Our AI teacher on CS faculty gave us this assignment (and other of similar type about 15 years ago) to promote analog type of thinking ... meaning that not everything is about zeros and ones in computer science.

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                              if the light is incandescent or halogen, it will get hot if left on. so switch on the first switch, and get distracted for 10 minutes, switch it off, switch on the next one and race upstairs. If the light is on, it is that 2nd switch. If it is off but hot, it was the first switch. Else it is the third switch. If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

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                              Jorgen Andersson
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                              And we have a winner.

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                              • P Peter_in_2780

                                The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                                Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                                Rage
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                                Exactly what I thought, this "riddle" is going to die out...

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                                • J Jorgen Andersson

                                  Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

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                                  R Erasmus
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                                  Check the other rooms if their light go on/off?

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                                    The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                                    Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                                    Should still work but may need to take quite a bit longer.

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                                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                                      Downstairs in a house are three identical on-off switches. One of them controls the lamp in the attic. The puzzle is to work out which switch controls the lamp. The rules are as follows. You are allowed to manipulate the switches all you like, and then you are allowed a single trip to the attic. How do you do it? To clarify: When you are downstairs there is no way to see into the attic, or see reflected light from the attic. Once you have gone to the attic you are not allowed back to the switches. <edit>you can also assume original state of all switches to be off.</edit><hint>Otherwise it won't work</hint> Note: If you already know the answer, or reads the newspaper where I nicked the puzzle from, then please don’t write it up immediately in the comments! Give those who have never heard it before a chance to suffer, I mean enjoy finding the solution.

                                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                      Firstly turn on switch1 for 1 minute, after 1 minute turn off the switch1, then turn on the switch2. go to the room and check the cases: case1: If bulb is on then switch2 is default switch. case2: Touch bulb by your hand if it is warm then switch1 is default switch. case3: If bulb is cold/normal then switch3 is default switch. default: No switch is working. ;)

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                                      • P Peter_in_2780

                                        The classic solution (which I won't give away) may not work too well with modern LED globes! CFLs maybe. Cheers, Peter

                                        Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        CFLs still get hot enough to the touch that you don't want to replace them immediately after they fail. LED's are only marginally more efficient; half of the "bulb" ends up being a heat sink. Bean counters being what they are; I'd expect it to be the bare minimum size required and to still get nice and warm.

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                                        • M Member 11762424

                                          if the light is incandescent or halogen, it will get hot if left on. so switch on the first switch, and get distracted for 10 minutes, switch it off, switch on the next one and race upstairs. If the light is on, it is that 2nd switch. If it is off but hot, it was the first switch. Else it is the third switch. If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

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                                          Moshe Katz
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                                          Member 11762424 wrote:

                                          If it's an energy-efficient bulb, this won't work.

                                          Not necessarily true. Every bulb I have ever had has gotten hot - Incandescent, Fluorescent, and LED all produce heat. The latter two just produce less heat, so you need to run quicker.

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