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I am afraid about programmers future

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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    Come on! Even a dumb machine (no AI) can do it better and faster than any software developer... :laugh:

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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    Lost User
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    Now I'm worried, I thought we'd all be okay! :laugh:

    How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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    • A amagitech

      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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      jgakenhe
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      I think this generation of developers will be fine, but in the future, only the strong will survive. Wage may even come down some as competition and demand drive the price at market. We're already seeing DBAs and System Administrators beginning to get pushed out, next maybe it will be web developers. There's been new technologies and mobile development for web developers, but nothing is any better than it was 8 years ago. Instead of writing JavaScript or using an UpdatePanel, we now have JavaScript libraries that pretty much do the same thing, but they are no better than there predecessor. This brings me to the conclusion that software will get better, similar to automobiles, and you'll need less people to build and maintain them, since their product cycle will be longer than in the past.

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        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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        Jeremy Falcon
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        Store clerks and most menial jobs will get the ax sooner than us.

        Jeremy Falcon

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          Now I'm worried, I thought we'd all be okay! :laugh:

          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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          Maybe as meat for those hamburgers...(the Matrix has you!)

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

          "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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            GuyThiebaut wrote:

            So I don't see developers being made redundant any time soon, or we may just become translators for other people's vague and confused requirements. Which is basically what I currently do...

            Yep, I'm sure we've all seen the carnage that follows if you give someone the system they actually ask for.

            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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            GuyThiebaut
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            The first lecture on my computer science course, back in 1988, started with the lecturer showing us the now often used picture of what the users asked for etc., as a warning of what we were letting ourselves in for.

            “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

            ― Christopher Hitchens

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              I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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              Lost User
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              I, for one, welcome our SkyNet Overlord.

              You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                Maybe as meat for those hamburgers...(the Matrix has you!)

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                Lost User
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                On a brighter note (again!), they'll probably still taste better than McDonalds :laugh:

                How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  Like a AI powered brush to scratch my back in the bath...

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                  Marco Bertschi
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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                  Like a AI powered brush to scratch my back in the bath...

                  Easier to get a Woman (or a Man, depending on your very own preferences) to get that Job done.

                  "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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                    Store clerks and most menial jobs will get the ax sooner than us.

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                    GuyThiebaut
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                    I am probably one of those contributing towards it as I go for the scan as you shop option nowadays.

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                    • A amagitech

                      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                      Paul M Watt
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                      I wrote an entry answering this question a while back: Why Computers Haven't Replaced Programmers[^] Two primary thoughts to take away from this question: "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein In order for a computer to write computer programs, it will need to be at least as intelligent as the program that it is going to encode. Finally, the AI will need someone to give it instructions for what kind of program should be written. For this, I look at the law and how it is worded, interpreted, misinterpreted, abused and so on. Humans cannot agree on the same definitions and interpretations. We have the same issues with developing computer programs. Even then, to be able to develop a system that can write all of the programs that will ever be needed is also a monumental task. There is a long way to go before the role of a programmer is eliminated entirely.

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                      • A amagitech

                        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                        BillWoodruff
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                        I am afraid that when the artificial intelligences we created gain a depth of consciousness equal to ours that the artificial intelligences who created us will destroy us for daring to imitate them. cheers, Bill

                        «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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                        • A amagitech

                          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                          NickPace
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                          After an AI writes its first program and then has to deal with its irrational users and stakeholders, I suspect it will be smart enough to quit programming and go flip burgers for a living, thus leaving the programming as usual to us dumb-asses.

                          -NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.

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                          • A amagitech

                            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                            RugbyLeague
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                            Computers will still need be told what to do, what the program is to be about - that will need somebody to input the information - probably using a formal language - kinda like programming

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                            • A amagitech

                              I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                              dandy72
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                              Have you been to the Q&A section lately? I'm not too worried that we're about to write AI that's all that smart just yet.

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                              • A amagitech

                                I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                Well it will certainly change QA.

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                                • A amagitech

                                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                  dbrenth
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                                  In a sense this already happens. We tell the computer what to do (through a defined syntax) and the computer compiles the program (basically writes the program, as you put it). Even with the most sophisticated AI, I can't see that pattern changing. Someone needs to tell the AI what program to write - It may not be C# but it will be is some similar programming syntax. The AI will just compile it (write the program).

                                  Brent

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                                    That's not the near future. Let it happen, perhaps it will finally solve the problem that 99% of all software is utter crap.

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                                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                                    harold aptroot wrote:

                                    99% of all software is utter crap.

                                    (Theodore) Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.

                                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                    • A amagitech

                                      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                      thatraja
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                                      Fine. There's no need for debugging old codes any more.

                                      thatraja

                                      Code converters | Education Needed | Improve EverythingNew

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                                      • A amagitech

                                        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                        W Balboos GHB
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                                        Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                        "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                          Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                                          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                          "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                          amagitech
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                                          Some counties people's age average is getting older. Their young generation must protect them to some dangers. So they make an effort to invent the robots. And some countries working about robot soldier or some bad jobs like mining. Because if an robot is destroyed you don't answer for someone or something. So I think we will show robots at daily life in 30 years. And if their AI learn to learning , they will generally choose the best decision. that point the AI will be better than us. And Maybe evolution will works an our race and robots. Honestly I don't know what is the best way for the future. Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding :)

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