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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    Maybe as meat for those hamburgers...(the Matrix has you!)

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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    Lost User
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    On a brighter note (again!), they'll probably still taste better than McDonalds :laugh:

    How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      Like a AI powered brush to scratch my back in the bath...

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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      Marco Bertschi
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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

      Like a AI powered brush to scratch my back in the bath...

      Easier to get a Woman (or a Man, depending on your very own preferences) to get that Job done.

      "A property doesn't have to be a Property to be a property." - PIEBALDConsult

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        Store clerks and most menial jobs will get the ax sooner than us.

        Jeremy Falcon

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        GuyThiebaut
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        I am probably one of those contributing towards it as I go for the scan as you shop option nowadays.

        “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

        ― Christopher Hitchens

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        • A amagitech

          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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          Paul M Watt
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          I wrote an entry answering this question a while back: Why Computers Haven't Replaced Programmers[^] Two primary thoughts to take away from this question: "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." Albert Einstein In order for a computer to write computer programs, it will need to be at least as intelligent as the program that it is going to encode. Finally, the AI will need someone to give it instructions for what kind of program should be written. For this, I look at the law and how it is worded, interpreted, misinterpreted, abused and so on. Humans cannot agree on the same definitions and interpretations. We have the same issues with developing computer programs. Even then, to be able to develop a system that can write all of the programs that will ever be needed is also a monumental task. There is a long way to go before the role of a programmer is eliminated entirely.

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          • A amagitech

            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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            BillWoodruff
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            I am afraid that when the artificial intelligences we created gain a depth of consciousness equal to ours that the artificial intelligences who created us will destroy us for daring to imitate them. cheers, Bill

            «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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            • A amagitech

              I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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              NickPace
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              After an AI writes its first program and then has to deal with its irrational users and stakeholders, I suspect it will be smart enough to quit programming and go flip burgers for a living, thus leaving the programming as usual to us dumb-asses.

              -NP Never underestimate the creativity of the end-user.

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              • A amagitech

                I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                RugbyLeague
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                Computers will still need be told what to do, what the program is to be about - that will need somebody to input the information - probably using a formal language - kinda like programming

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                • A amagitech

                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                  dandy72
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                  Have you been to the Q&A section lately? I'm not too worried that we're about to write AI that's all that smart just yet.

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                  • A amagitech

                    I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                    Lost User
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                    Well it will certainly change QA.

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                    • A amagitech

                      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                      dbrenth
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                      In a sense this already happens. We tell the computer what to do (through a defined syntax) and the computer compiles the program (basically writes the program, as you put it). Even with the most sophisticated AI, I can't see that pattern changing. Someone needs to tell the AI what program to write - It may not be C# but it will be is some similar programming syntax. The AI will just compile it (write the program).

                      Brent

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                      • L Lost User

                        That's not the near future. Let it happen, perhaps it will finally solve the problem that 99% of all software is utter crap.

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                        Daniel Pfeffer
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                        harold aptroot wrote:

                        99% of all software is utter crap.

                        (Theodore) Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.

                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                        • A amagitech

                          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                          thatraja
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                          Fine. There's no need for debugging old codes any more.

                          thatraja

                          Code converters | Education Needed | Improve EverythingNew

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                          • A amagitech

                            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              amagitech
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                              Some counties people's age average is getting older. Their young generation must protect them to some dangers. So they make an effort to invent the robots. And some countries working about robot soldier or some bad jobs like mining. Because if an robot is destroyed you don't answer for someone or something. So I think we will show robots at daily life in 30 years. And if their AI learn to learning , they will generally choose the best decision. that point the AI will be better than us. And Maybe evolution will works an our race and robots. Honestly I don't know what is the best way for the future. Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding :)

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                              • W W Balboos GHB

                                Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                Daniel Pfeffer
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                                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                                Saboteur? :)

                                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                • A amagitech

                                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                  Brittle1618
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                                  Member 11375116 wrote:

                                  And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers

                                  There will be no "Googling Stack Overflow" then :laugh:

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                                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                    Brent Jenkins wrote:

                                    mentally and physically fit

                                    Fit to do what?

                                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                    Brittle1618
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                                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                    Fit to do what?

                                    Fit to stay FIT ;)

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                                    • G GuyThiebaut

                                      Most people I come across have difficulty: Knowing what they want. Knowing what they need. Being able to express what they want. Being able to express what they need. So I don't see developers being made redundant any time soon, or we may just become translators for other people's vague and confused requirements. Which is basically what I currently do...

                                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                      renaultF1
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                                      Exactly! So AI will decide that humans are the problem and then humanity will be redundant. Be careful what you wish for

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        On a brighter note (again!), they'll probably still taste better than McDonalds :laugh:

                                        How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                        JohnLBevan
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                                        I wouldn't worry, if we get true AI they'll be picky about what jobs they do / will probably just replace management to get better pay, spend their time doing what they enjoy, and leave the grunt work to humans. Those of us supporting the pyramid won't notice any change. The bigger risk is if we get pseudo AI, where our jobs are automated, but the machines are slaves; then whoever's at the top of the pyramid decides whether everyone should enjoy life, or just their select few... here's hoping for benevolence.

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                                          I wouldn't worry, if we get true AI they'll be picky about what jobs they do / will probably just replace management to get better pay, spend their time doing what they enjoy, and leave the grunt work to humans. Those of us supporting the pyramid won't notice any change. The bigger risk is if we get pseudo AI, where our jobs are automated, but the machines are slaves; then whoever's at the top of the pyramid decides whether everyone should enjoy life, or just their select few... here's hoping for benevolence.

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                                          Lost User
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                                          To be completely honest, I'm not worried about AI at all. Here's why.. When we talk about Artificial Intelligence, we really mean human-like intelligence, ie. like us. We somehow believe that we're some enlightened, knowledgeable creation set apart from every other living thing on the planet but that's only because we're vainly looking at our own reflection in the mirror and seeing what we want to see. Putting things onto an "absolute" scale, rather than a "relative" one, the average human isn't very intelligent (myself and all of us here included - no offence). It's taken nature how many billion years to reach this "pinnacle"? Yet somehow - in our brief time on this planet - we think we can do better (like with GM crops and insects). The best we can hope to achieve (and we'd need to be very, very lucky to get to this point) is probably on a par with Joey Essex (George W. Bush, for the non-Brits here :)). More likely, we'll achieve the same intelligence level of a jellyfish, perhaps even a bee if we really push ourselves. Like I said, I don't think we have anything to fear :laugh:

                                          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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