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  • A amagitech

    I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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    Lost User
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    Well it will certainly change QA.

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    • A amagitech

      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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      dbrenth
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      In a sense this already happens. We tell the computer what to do (through a defined syntax) and the computer compiles the program (basically writes the program, as you put it). Even with the most sophisticated AI, I can't see that pattern changing. Someone needs to tell the AI what program to write - It may not be C# but it will be is some similar programming syntax. The AI will just compile it (write the program).

      Brent

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        That's not the near future. Let it happen, perhaps it will finally solve the problem that 99% of all software is utter crap.

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        harold aptroot wrote:

        99% of all software is utter crap.

        (Theodore) Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud.

        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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        • A amagitech

          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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          thatraja
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          Fine. There's no need for debugging old codes any more.

          thatraja

          Code converters | Education Needed | Improve EverythingNew

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          • A amagitech

            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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            W Balboos GHB
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            Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              amagitech
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              Some counties people's age average is getting older. Their young generation must protect them to some dangers. So they make an effort to invent the robots. And some countries working about robot soldier or some bad jobs like mining. Because if an robot is destroyed you don't answer for someone or something. So I think we will show robots at daily life in 30 years. And if their AI learn to learning , they will generally choose the best decision. that point the AI will be better than us. And Maybe evolution will works an our race and robots. Honestly I don't know what is the best way for the future. Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding :)

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                Well - if you were a logical person you'd take action in order to mitigate the situation. Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                Have you considered going in for something with a more promising future? Blacksmith? Wheelwright? Politician?

                Saboteur? :)

                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                • A amagitech

                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                  Brittle1618
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                  Member 11375116 wrote:

                  And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers

                  There will be no "Googling Stack Overflow" then :laugh:

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    Brent Jenkins wrote:

                    mentally and physically fit

                    Fit to do what?

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                    Brittle1618
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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                    Fit to do what?

                    Fit to stay FIT ;)

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      Most people I come across have difficulty: Knowing what they want. Knowing what they need. Being able to express what they want. Being able to express what they need. So I don't see developers being made redundant any time soon, or we may just become translators for other people's vague and confused requirements. Which is basically what I currently do...

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      renaultF1
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                      Exactly! So AI will decide that humans are the problem and then humanity will be redundant. Be careful what you wish for

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                      • L Lost User

                        On a brighter note (again!), they'll probably still taste better than McDonalds :laugh:

                        How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                        JohnLBevan
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                        I wouldn't worry, if we get true AI they'll be picky about what jobs they do / will probably just replace management to get better pay, spend their time doing what they enjoy, and leave the grunt work to humans. Those of us supporting the pyramid won't notice any change. The bigger risk is if we get pseudo AI, where our jobs are automated, but the machines are slaves; then whoever's at the top of the pyramid decides whether everyone should enjoy life, or just their select few... here's hoping for benevolence.

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                          I wouldn't worry, if we get true AI they'll be picky about what jobs they do / will probably just replace management to get better pay, spend their time doing what they enjoy, and leave the grunt work to humans. Those of us supporting the pyramid won't notice any change. The bigger risk is if we get pseudo AI, where our jobs are automated, but the machines are slaves; then whoever's at the top of the pyramid decides whether everyone should enjoy life, or just their select few... here's hoping for benevolence.

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                          To be completely honest, I'm not worried about AI at all. Here's why.. When we talk about Artificial Intelligence, we really mean human-like intelligence, ie. like us. We somehow believe that we're some enlightened, knowledgeable creation set apart from every other living thing on the planet but that's only because we're vainly looking at our own reflection in the mirror and seeing what we want to see. Putting things onto an "absolute" scale, rather than a "relative" one, the average human isn't very intelligent (myself and all of us here included - no offence). It's taken nature how many billion years to reach this "pinnacle"? Yet somehow - in our brief time on this planet - we think we can do better (like with GM crops and insects). The best we can hope to achieve (and we'd need to be very, very lucky to get to this point) is probably on a par with Joey Essex (George W. Bush, for the non-Brits here :)). More likely, we'll achieve the same intelligence level of a jellyfish, perhaps even a bee if we really push ourselves. Like I said, I don't think we have anything to fear :laugh:

                          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                          • A amagitech

                            Some counties people's age average is getting older. Their young generation must protect them to some dangers. So they make an effort to invent the robots. And some countries working about robot soldier or some bad jobs like mining. Because if an robot is destroyed you don't answer for someone or something. So I think we will show robots at daily life in 30 years. And if their AI learn to learning , they will generally choose the best decision. that point the AI will be better than us. And Maybe evolution will works an our race and robots. Honestly I don't know what is the best way for the future. Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding :)

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                            W Balboos GHB
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                            Member 11375116 wrote:

                            Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding

                            Not a problem. Here, at CodeProject, we're quite used to those still learning English. Some, particularly those from the United Kingdom, never seem to be able to get the hang of it - and probably never will. Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                            "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                            "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                            "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              I, for one, welcome our SkyNet Overlord.

                              You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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                              TheLonelyCoder
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                              Actually, I´m writing the core system for skynet. The part for launching the rockets is already done, and as soon we turn on SkyNet on 31st Dec. 2016 we have no more problems with consuming ...

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                              • A amagitech

                                I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                Member 11699835
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                                Same said about tractors in fact it created more jobs & more food. Eventually pretty much all would be automated and we all have to work less:)

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                                • A amagitech

                                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                  ClockMeister
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                                  Yeah, yeah ... they've been saying that for years. The machines (compiler technology) writes more and more of the low-level code but you're never getting rid of programmers. The demand is higher than ever. Relax.

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                                  • J jgakenhe

                                    Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

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                                    ClockMeister
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                                    jgakenhe wrote:

                                    Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

                                    That's exactly what I was going to say! ;-)

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                                    • C chriselst

                                      We programed the machines to take away people's jobs, now the machines will program themselves and take away our jobs. When everything is automated, production of all the world's needs is as efficient as can be, then we can all live out lives of unfettered luxury, free from the daily toil of the working life. The planet and the machines will provide, all we need do is consume. Just need to get rid of 6 or 7 billion people first, but that's another story.

                                      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                                      ttennebb
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                                      I am waiting for the day when the machines program themselves out of a job! :omg:

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                                      • A amagitech

                                        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                        Member 10707677
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                                        Being replaced by a machine? Unlikely. Being replaced by a third grader? That's a worry!

                                        The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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                                        • A amagitech

                                          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                          Kirk 10389821
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                                          Fear not. We don't get paid to write code. We get paid to write the "RIGHT" code. In between want and need, there are questions to ask. Everyone wants software. But the software must do what you need it to do. That analysis, it turns out, is VERY HARD. So, right now, 50% of all software projects fail. When humans are doing it, and we have "intelligence" and we can adapt and interpret what "users" really want. When computers start doing this, what do you think their success rate will be? Companies will hire smart people to help guide the computers. To ensure success. Programming may change, but I don't think it will ever go away. BTW, 33 years ago, when I was a teen, getting into software, my girlfriends father told me to find a new major. He worked for K-mart as a software developer, and he said back then that then CASE tools coming out were going to do away with developers. I believe adopting these technologies, instead of smart developers is what hurt K-Mart. Walmart... They spent a lot of money with some smart people, and designed the system to do what they needed. When it does happen it will be like this: "This amazing software writes ANY PROGRAM for you. It only requires 10 years of computer programming experience to use its interface!" Don't worry that your job wont be there. Be the best you can do, and work for the companies that cannot afford that software! (You don't think it's going to be cheap, do you?)

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