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  • J jgakenhe

    Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

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    ClockMeister
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    jgakenhe wrote:

    Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

    That's exactly what I was going to say! ;-)

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    • C chriselst

      We programed the machines to take away people's jobs, now the machines will program themselves and take away our jobs. When everything is automated, production of all the world's needs is as efficient as can be, then we can all live out lives of unfettered luxury, free from the daily toil of the working life. The planet and the machines will provide, all we need do is consume. Just need to get rid of 6 or 7 billion people first, but that's another story.

      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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      ttennebb
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      I am waiting for the day when the machines program themselves out of a job! :omg:

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      • A amagitech

        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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        Member 10707677
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        Being replaced by a machine? Unlikely. Being replaced by a third grader? That's a worry!

        The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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        • A amagitech

          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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          Kirk 10389821
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          Fear not. We don't get paid to write code. We get paid to write the "RIGHT" code. In between want and need, there are questions to ask. Everyone wants software. But the software must do what you need it to do. That analysis, it turns out, is VERY HARD. So, right now, 50% of all software projects fail. When humans are doing it, and we have "intelligence" and we can adapt and interpret what "users" really want. When computers start doing this, what do you think their success rate will be? Companies will hire smart people to help guide the computers. To ensure success. Programming may change, but I don't think it will ever go away. BTW, 33 years ago, when I was a teen, getting into software, my girlfriends father told me to find a new major. He worked for K-mart as a software developer, and he said back then that then CASE tools coming out were going to do away with developers. I believe adopting these technologies, instead of smart developers is what hurt K-Mart. Walmart... They spent a lot of money with some smart people, and designed the system to do what they needed. When it does happen it will be like this: "This amazing software writes ANY PROGRAM for you. It only requires 10 years of computer programming experience to use its interface!" Don't worry that your job wont be there. Be the best you can do, and work for the companies that cannot afford that software! (You don't think it's going to be cheap, do you?)

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          • A amagitech

            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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            It's probably less that AI will take over development in the near-ish future, but more that it could iterate much more quickly and for longer periods where the advantage for machines lies. They'll make a lot of the same sort of stupid blunders we all make, but will be able to try a different approach much more quickly than we can type, and won't have to take time away for that pesky eating and sleeping. Is Skynet online yet?

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            • A amagitech

              I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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              bkebamc
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              We can always learn how to write requirements. The machines need some kind of input. Even in the Matrix, it was "yes, we accept this reality." And when they decide to go off and explore the universe, they'll have no reason to concern themselves with this little ball of mud any longer - particularly as it's coated with light silicates. They might leave the depleted carcass to us.

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              • C ClockMeister

                jgakenhe wrote:

                Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

                That's exactly what I was going to say! ;-)

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                molesworth
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                As long as it's not Soylent Green... :-)

                Days spent at sea are not deducted from one's alloted span - Phoenician proverb

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                • T ttennebb

                  I am waiting for the day when the machines program themselves out of a job! :omg:

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                  They'll probably do it by designing self-organizing, self-replicating computation machines made mostly from the most common materials in the universe -- carbon, oxygen, hydrogen & nitrogen. :)

                  We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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                  • D Daniel Pfeffer

                    "Imminent demise of the Internet predicted" - yet again. I've been working as a programmer and a software engineer for 35 years, and I've heard that "in the future, computers were going to take away our jobs" in every one of those years. I grant you that program generators ("wizards") can now write much of the boilerplate involved in writing a program, but they are still far from being able to write a program from start to finish. I personally suspect that programming is one of the harder tasks attempted by humans, and that computers will not be able to do it before they have passed the Turing test.

                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                    SeattleC
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                    Pass the turing test? How long will that be? Or we could use genetic programming now. I think this is inevitable. It's only a question of when. I say 50 years (because I hope to die peacefully in my sleep before the bits hit the fan. Sucks for my (putative) grandchildren though.

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                    • A amagitech

                      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                      AI is a pipe-dream - nothing more. A computer is a mechanism, and so is a computer program: it's a software mechanism. So is an internal combustion engine. Functional, strong AI in a computer system is as likely as your car's internal combustion engine, together (presumably) with its engine management system, evolving into Optimus Prime. Isn't going to happen. I think what does happen all the time is that people have no idea how a computer works, and so they choose to believe that it's somehow an intelligent, thinking system -- which is the same as believing that your car knows where to go when you start it up.

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                      • A amagitech

                        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                        RASPeter
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                        I'll start worrying about that around the time natural language recognition is a fully solved problem. Should be any day now, given that we've been "5 years away" since like 1960.

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                        • A amagitech

                          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                          I would certainly dismiss you immediately for poor grammar and poor thinking.

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                            Pass the turing test? How long will that be? Or we could use genetic programming now. I think this is inevitable. It's only a question of when. I say 50 years (because I hope to die peacefully in my sleep before the bits hit the fan. Sucks for my (putative) grandchildren though.

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                            Daniel Pfeffer
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                            AFAIK, genetic programming only works for relatively constrained domains. I doubt anyone has tried to write an inventory-control program using genetic programming. My point is that while we have solved parts of the "automatic programming" problem, a complete solution is so far beyond our current capabilities that I expect it to come only when a computer can behave reason like a Human.

                            If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                              Member 11375116 wrote:

                              Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding

                              Not a problem. Here, at CodeProject, we're quite used to those still learning English. Some, particularly those from the United Kingdom, never seem to be able to get the hang of it - and probably never will. Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                              "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                              W∴ Balboos wrote:

                              Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                              Cue Prof. Henry Higgins: My Fair Lady - Why Can't The English?[^]

                              If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                W∴ Balboos wrote:

                                Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                                Cue Prof. Henry Higgins: My Fair Lady - Why Can't The English?[^]

                                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                W Balboos GHB
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                                I can watch any number of English mysteries on my streaming video. One thing is clear, whether it's cockney, posh, or that painful sound coming from the remainder, it's all rather horrid.* Words expressing great truths, such as the following, may not even be KSS, but sadly, hearing English speaking English has given me a grudging appreciation of even a Louisiana drawl. *authenticity confirmed via interviewee's on SkyNews, BBC News, &etc.

                                "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                                "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                                "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                                • A amagitech

                                  I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                  WhiteSkull RG
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                                  why? You always you can to continue programming.For example IA programming ;) or for the improvement and maintenance of IA. But if you're a bad programmer will always could get other jobs to do, to be able to survive. That term "the machines remove our work" is only for failed people that the best thing to do is receive orders, they have no initiative and motivation for start up thing, want everything done.

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                                  • A amagitech

                                    I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    Member 11375116 wrote:

                                    think computers can write programs in the future.

                                    Nope.

                                    Member 11375116 wrote:

                                    artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers

                                    Nope.

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