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I am afraid about programmers future

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  • C ClockMeister

    jgakenhe wrote:

    Sounds like the movie, Logan's Run.

    That's exactly what I was going to say! ;-)

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    molesworth
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    As long as it's not Soylent Green... :-)

    Days spent at sea are not deducted from one's alloted span - Phoenician proverb

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    • T ttennebb

      I am waiting for the day when the machines program themselves out of a job! :omg:

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      patbob
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      They'll probably do it by designing self-organizing, self-replicating computation machines made mostly from the most common materials in the universe -- carbon, oxygen, hydrogen & nitrogen. :)

      We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.

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      • D Daniel Pfeffer

        "Imminent demise of the Internet predicted" - yet again. I've been working as a programmer and a software engineer for 35 years, and I've heard that "in the future, computers were going to take away our jobs" in every one of those years. I grant you that program generators ("wizards") can now write much of the boilerplate involved in writing a program, but they are still far from being able to write a program from start to finish. I personally suspect that programming is one of the harder tasks attempted by humans, and that computers will not be able to do it before they have passed the Turing test.

        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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        SeattleC
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        Pass the turing test? How long will that be? Or we could use genetic programming now. I think this is inevitable. It's only a question of when. I say 50 years (because I hope to die peacefully in my sleep before the bits hit the fan. Sucks for my (putative) grandchildren though.

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        • A amagitech

          I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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          Member_5893260
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          AI is a pipe-dream - nothing more. A computer is a mechanism, and so is a computer program: it's a software mechanism. So is an internal combustion engine. Functional, strong AI in a computer system is as likely as your car's internal combustion engine, together (presumably) with its engine management system, evolving into Optimus Prime. Isn't going to happen. I think what does happen all the time is that people have no idea how a computer works, and so they choose to believe that it's somehow an intelligent, thinking system -- which is the same as believing that your car knows where to go when you start it up.

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          • A amagitech

            I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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            RASPeter
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            I'll start worrying about that around the time natural language recognition is a fully solved problem. Should be any day now, given that we've been "5 years away" since like 1960.

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            • A amagitech

              I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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              jibalt
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              I would certainly dismiss you immediately for poor grammar and poor thinking.

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              • S SeattleC

                Pass the turing test? How long will that be? Or we could use genetic programming now. I think this is inevitable. It's only a question of when. I say 50 years (because I hope to die peacefully in my sleep before the bits hit the fan. Sucks for my (putative) grandchildren though.

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                AFAIK, genetic programming only works for relatively constrained domains. I doubt anyone has tried to write an inventory-control program using genetic programming. My point is that while we have solved parts of the "automatic programming" problem, a complete solution is so far beyond our current capabilities that I expect it to come only when a computer can behave reason like a Human.

                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                • W W Balboos GHB

                  Member 11375116 wrote:

                  Note: My english isn't good I am trying to learn english.. If I did't correct express myself, sorry for misunderstanding

                  Not a problem. Here, at CodeProject, we're quite used to those still learning English. Some, particularly those from the United Kingdom, never seem to be able to get the hang of it - and probably never will. Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                  "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                  "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                  "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                  Daniel Pfeffer
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                  W∴ Balboos wrote:

                  Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                  Cue Prof. Henry Higgins: My Fair Lady - Why Can't The English?[^]

                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                  • D Daniel Pfeffer

                    W∴ Balboos wrote:

                    Alert! If your English teacher spells "color" as "colour" then run for the exits.

                    Cue Prof. Henry Higgins: My Fair Lady - Why Can't The English?[^]

                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    I can watch any number of English mysteries on my streaming video. One thing is clear, whether it's cockney, posh, or that painful sound coming from the remainder, it's all rather horrid.* Words expressing great truths, such as the following, may not even be KSS, but sadly, hearing English speaking English has given me a grudging appreciation of even a Louisiana drawl. *authenticity confirmed via interviewee's on SkyNews, BBC News, &etc.

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    • A amagitech

                      I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                      WhiteSkull RG
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                      why? You always you can to continue programming.For example IA programming ;) or for the improvement and maintenance of IA. But if you're a bad programmer will always could get other jobs to do, to be able to survive. That term "the machines remove our work" is only for failed people that the best thing to do is receive orders, they have no initiative and motivation for start up thing, want everything done.

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                      • A amagitech

                        I think computers can write programs in the future. And artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers. we will say that "second industrial revolution". I am afraid that we will dismissed our jobs.

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Member 11375116 wrote:

                        think computers can write programs in the future.

                        Nope.

                        Member 11375116 wrote:

                        artificial intelligence will be better than a lot of programmers

                        Nope.

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