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  • M Marc Clifton

    > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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    newton saber
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    Haha, a learning-language (Python) used to develop production code, then on top of that they pile on old technology (classic ASP) for the Django part and then run python under IIS. It's a recipe for total and utter disaster. All because some developer has never learned a proper language like C# which is used in real production environments. Ugh!

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      I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less. I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff. I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.) * No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      WTF??? You elitist snob. Just use the damn tools. It's like you're saying I know I can get this nail in with my screwdriver if I can hit it hard enough so I don't need a hammer. They're just tools to make your life easier. But you go ahead: bang your head against that old school wall.

      PIEBALDconsult wrote:

      No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.

      Just ridiculous. :thumbsdown: I never want to go back to the command line to code. Ugh! X|

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        WTF??? You elitist snob. Just use the damn tools. It's like you're saying I know I can get this nail in with my screwdriver if I can hit it hard enough so I don't need a hammer. They're just tools to make your life easier. But you go ahead: bang your head against that old school wall.

        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

        No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.

        Just ridiculous. :thumbsdown: I never want to go back to the command line to code. Ugh! X|

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        I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.

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          PIEBALDconsult wrote:

          I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.

          That's like admitting you code in basic.

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            PIEBALDconsult wrote:

            I've been using screwdrivers to push in nails and make holes in walls for a very long time. Many times it's just easier.

            That's like admitting you code in basic.

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            Hardly ever. And it's BASIC, you heathen. And BASIC is still easier to use than COBOL and Fortran.

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            • M Marc Clifton

              > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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              Marc Clifton wrote:

              Visual Studio

              Real developers only use Vi. :-)

              You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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                Hardly ever. And it's BASIC, you heathen. And BASIC is still easier to use than COBOL and Fortran.

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                Hey I've got an Atari 800 with 32K RAM and cassette tape backup if anyone is interested. I'll throw in the BASIC cartridge for free even! :laugh:

                "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon

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                  Marc Clifton wrote:

                  Visual Studio

                  Real developers only use Vi. :-)

                  You can lead a developer to CodeProject, but you can't make them think. The Theory of Gravity was invented for the sole purpose of distracting you from investigating the scientific fact that the Earth sucks.

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                  Wes Aday wrote:

                  Vi

                  You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

                  A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                  Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
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                    Wes Aday wrote:

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                    You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

                    A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                    Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
                    Dave Kreskowiak

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                    Brisingr Aerowing
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                    You elitist snob. Talk directly to the processor using binary!

                    What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                    • M Marc Clifton

                      > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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                      Super Lloyd
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                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                      I'm not going to help you

                      Me think he is doing us a favor here! :rolleyes: :laugh:

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                        Hey I've got an Atari 800 with 32K RAM and cassette tape backup if anyone is interested. I'll throw in the BASIC cartridge for free even! :laugh:

                        "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon

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                        PIEBALDconsult
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                        Oh, now you've stepped in it... I have a MicroVAX 3100 (circa 1986) with 8MB RAM and two 1GB HDDs and VAX BASIC installed. :cool:

                        VAX BASIC V3.9-000

                        Ready

                        print 6*7
                        42
                        Ready

                        10 for i = 1 to 10
                        20 print "Hello, world!"
                        30 next i
                        runnh

                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Hello, world!
                        Ready

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                        • D Dave Kreskowiak

                          Wes Aday wrote:

                          Vi

                          You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

                          A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                          Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
                          Dave Kreskowiak

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).

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                            I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).

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                            mmm, good old days, PDP 11/60 RSTS/E, OMSI Pascal, (?Variant)BASIC

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                              Wes Aday wrote:

                              Vi

                              You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

                              A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                              Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
                              Dave Kreskowiak

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                              Mladen Jankovic
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                              I'd love to join the pissing contest, but these cards ain't gonna punch themselves[^]... So, later suckers! :)

                              GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                                > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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                                Mladen Jankovic
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                                Marc Clifton wrote:

                                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                                I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                                GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                                  > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

                                  Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                  Mycroft Holmes
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                                  You are NOT allowed to walk up to him and push his head through the nearest partition. However if you don't get into a pissing contest with him you may find yourself writing client code for that crap, after all he is try to sell the idea to managers!

                                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                                    mmm, good old days, PDP 11/60 RSTS/E, OMSI Pascal, (?Variant)BASIC

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                                    Garth J Lancaster wrote:

                                    (?Variant)BASIC

                                    BASIC-PLUS is what I first learned on a PDP-11. Then some form of Pascal also on a PDP-11. Most of my college work was in VAX Pascal.

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                                    • M Mladen Jankovic

                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                                      I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                                      GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                                      Because "succeed" is not in their dictionary? Hey, what's the past tense of "succeed"?

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                                      • M Mladen Jankovic

                                        I'd love to join the pissing contest, but these cards ain't gonna punch themselves[^]... So, later suckers! :)

                                        GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        Also glad I never had to do that. The 80s was a great time to begin using computers.

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                                        • M Mladen Jankovic

                                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                                          I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                                          GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          In this case because it's an entire book series[^] :laugh: The books are about 100 pages long, hence the "Succinct" part ;)

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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