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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Hardly ever. And it's BASIC, you heathen. And BASIC is still easier to use than COBOL and Fortran.

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    clientSurfer
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    Hey I've got an Atari 800 with 32K RAM and cassette tape backup if anyone is interested. I'll throw in the BASIC cartridge for free even! :laugh:

    "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon

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      Marc Clifton wrote:

      Visual Studio

      Real developers only use Vi. :-)

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      Wes Aday wrote:

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      You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

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        Wes Aday wrote:

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        You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

        A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

        Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
        Dave Kreskowiak

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        Brisingr Aerowing
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        You elitist snob. Talk directly to the processor using binary!

        What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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          > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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          Super Lloyd
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          Marc Clifton wrote:

          I'm not going to help you

          Me think he is doing us a favor here! :rolleyes: :laugh:

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            Hey I've got an Atari 800 with 32K RAM and cassette tape backup if anyone is interested. I'll throw in the BASIC cartridge for free even! :laugh:

            "... having only that moment finished a vigorous game of Wiff-Waff and eaten a tartiflet." - Henry Minute  "Let's face it, after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF!" - gavindon   Programming is a race between programmers trying to build bigger and better idiot proof programs, and the universe trying to build bigger and better idiots, so far... the universe is winning. - gavindon

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            Oh, now you've stepped in it... I have a MicroVAX 3100 (circa 1986) with 8MB RAM and two 1GB HDDs and VAX BASIC installed. :cool:

            VAX BASIC V3.9-000

            Ready

            print 6*7
            42
            Ready

            10 for i = 1 to 10
            20 print "Hello, world!"
            30 next i
            runnh

            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Hello, world!
            Ready

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            • D Dave Kreskowiak

              Wes Aday wrote:

              Vi

              You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

              A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

              Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
              Dave Kreskowiak

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              PIEBALDconsult
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              I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                I am sooo glad I never had to use a line editor. While some of my classmates were using EDT (?) in line mode, the cool kids showed me how to use TECO in screen mode (this was on a PDP-11).

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                Garth J Lancaster
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                mmm, good old days, PDP 11/60 RSTS/E, OMSI Pascal, (?Variant)BASIC

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                  Wes Aday wrote:

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                  You elitist snob. Use EDLIN!

                  A guide to posting questions on CodeProject

                  Click this: Asking questions is a skill. Seriously, do it.
                  Dave Kreskowiak

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                  Mladen Jankovic
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                  I'd love to join the pissing contest, but these cards ain't gonna punch themselves[^]... So, later suckers! :)

                  GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                    > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

                    Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                    Mladen Jankovic
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                    Marc Clifton wrote:

                    Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                    I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                    GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                      > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                      Mycroft Holmes
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                      You are NOT allowed to walk up to him and push his head through the nearest partition. However if you don't get into a pissing contest with him you may find yourself writing client code for that crap, after all he is try to sell the idea to managers!

                      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                      • G Garth J Lancaster

                        mmm, good old days, PDP 11/60 RSTS/E, OMSI Pascal, (?Variant)BASIC

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                        Garth J Lancaster wrote:

                        (?Variant)BASIC

                        BASIC-PLUS is what I first learned on a PDP-11. Then some form of Pascal also on a PDP-11. Most of my college work was in VAX Pascal.

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                        • M Mladen Jankovic

                          Marc Clifton wrote:

                          Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                          I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                          GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                          PIEBALDconsult
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                          Because "succeed" is not in their dictionary? Hey, what's the past tense of "succeed"?

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                          • M Mladen Jankovic

                            I'd love to join the pissing contest, but these cards ain't gonna punch themselves[^]... So, later suckers! :)

                            GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                            PIEBALDconsult
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                            Also glad I never had to do that. The 80s was a great time to begin using computers.

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                            • M Mladen Jankovic

                              Marc Clifton wrote:

                              Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly

                              I'v been reading Expert F# and I was wondering why the hell are you all (FP guys) obsessed with word succinct?

                              GeoGame for Windows Phone | The Longue Explained In 5 Minutes

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              In this case because it's an entire book series[^] :laugh: The books are about 100 pages long, hence the "Succinct" part ;)

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

                                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                At the next meeting slip something in his drink. When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard. When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project :D Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology? The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard. NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! :wtf: It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters... Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                  You elitist snob. Talk directly to the processor using binary!

                                  What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                                  Obligatory xkcd: Real Programmers[^]

                                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    At the next meeting slip something in his drink. When he's knocked out cold take out his organs shave his beard. When the Lin-Uxorcism is complete enjoy your C# project :D Seriously though, don't you just hate it when people get all religious about their technology? The only tech-religion I have is anti-Apple. That friggin iPhone doesn't even know lower case letters on its keyboard. NO LOWER CASE LETTERS! :wtf: It's waaaaay overpriced for a phone that doesn't know lower case letters... Anyway, don't give in to the Linux guy!

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    You have to give it to Apple though, they know how to do simple[^]! ;P

                                    All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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                                      Fredrik Bornander
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                                      "I am not going to help you", that's the sort of can-do attitude that is the very foundation of every successful team

                                      Try Grapple for Android, it has a naked pixel guy in it! Also, loads of blood and some snakes.

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                                        > my god, I have to actually install Visual Studio and work in an IDE? No way. I want to work from the command line for development, and if you want to use C# for the back end, I'm not going to help you. Yes indeed, I heard that on Friday from a Linux guy who is trying to push for a Django / Python back end at the company I'm working at. Fucking script-kiddies. Marc

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                                        As someone who started with the command line, (indeed, had to flip the switches on the front panel in the right order to boot the computer) I think I can say that the IDE is a massive improvement in ease of use, productivity, and general all round loveliness. Just having a debugger that works with your code is superb! Being able to edit your code while it's running is a genuine miracle. You know what I'm talking about: Intellisense, XML commenting, autocompletion, the whole package. Yes, there are times when Notepad and a compiler are all you need, but for a more complex project just sorting out makefiles by hand is a PITA! :laugh: I think he's an idiot. Presumably he knows one technology, and assumes it's the best for all environments. Script kiddie indeed...

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                                          I have no respect for developers who claim they couldn't possibly develop without the latest IDE and related tools. Do more with less. I use Visual Studio only when I need to (WinForms and SSIS), but all my other C# I do old-school*. And I prefer to do primarily back-end, library, utility stuff. I can send him a copy of the simple IDE I wrote -- I use it for C#, C, and VB. I'm sure it can do other languages (basically all you need to do is tell it how to call the compiler). (Sorry, no article is forthcoming at this time.) * No syntax highlighting, no code folding, no debugger, no designer, no intellisense, no real-time syntax checking, just raw like a chopped panhead yo. :cool: Like turbo C, except Turbo C has a debugger.

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                                          The first software I ever bought was a simple debugger for about 15$. It allowed you to set breakpoints, single step after reaching them and examine the processor's registers (tightly packed on a 64 x 64 pixel screen). After that, I ditched entering machine code directly in favor of a small assembler, simply because having to retype everything after a change in the middle of the code was a pain. When I write code for my old computer today, I use a far more comfortble text editor and a acro assembler on the PC and test my code in an emulator. The old debugger still sees some action from time to time. That's all you need to get some work done. Fancy IDEs or tools may be of great assistance, but something is terribly wrong if you can't live without them.

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                                          This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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