Human Machine relationship
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I believe that once things get going it will develop quickly as with a lot of technology once it matures to a certain point and a lot of society will be hard to adapt. Haven't seen the movie but love to think about these sort of things. I know I value my computer heavily so an intelligent machine would be revered by me at the least. There may come a time where society as a whole will have to discuss ethics and policies related to this issue. Should we start to see machines that can truly be considered intelligent or capable of feeling emotions we as creators will have a huge responsibility. Considering how we tend to act as humans get ready for some fearful reactions and heavy discrimination. A few times around the web have I mentioned this issue relating to ethics of intelligent machines and I believe that it's almost inevitable that we will reach this point at some time this century. We can't stop technological progression, even with regulations and work to hamper it someone will do it. Whatever we create will be so different from us that most people wont be able to comprehend it. In some future I think the only solution will be to develop a symbiotic relationship with the machines we create. Technology is so integrated with us already that we will never be able to pull the plug. The only thing able to stop this would be a mega solar storm that would wipe out so much of modern electronics we would be set back 40+ years or something. I'll be a firm believer in AI/Machine rights. It's the only human approach. :cool:
Member 11683251 wrote:
I'll be a firm believer in AI/Machine rights.
Lots of humans and animals still lack those rights, and you want them for machines? Unless it is conscious, it is a machine that cannot suffer, nor needs rights.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
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I believe that once things get going it will develop quickly as with a lot of technology once it matures to a certain point and a lot of society will be hard to adapt. Haven't seen the movie but love to think about these sort of things. I know I value my computer heavily so an intelligent machine would be revered by me at the least. There may come a time where society as a whole will have to discuss ethics and policies related to this issue. Should we start to see machines that can truly be considered intelligent or capable of feeling emotions we as creators will have a huge responsibility. Considering how we tend to act as humans get ready for some fearful reactions and heavy discrimination. A few times around the web have I mentioned this issue relating to ethics of intelligent machines and I believe that it's almost inevitable that we will reach this point at some time this century. We can't stop technological progression, even with regulations and work to hamper it someone will do it. Whatever we create will be so different from us that most people wont be able to comprehend it. In some future I think the only solution will be to develop a symbiotic relationship with the machines we create. Technology is so integrated with us already that we will never be able to pull the plug. The only thing able to stop this would be a mega solar storm that would wipe out so much of modern electronics we would be set back 40+ years or something. I'll be a firm believer in AI/Machine rights. It's the only human approach. :cool:
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Human Machine relationship though sounds futuristic but the way AI is progressing, we going to embrace it much sooner than we estimate. First The Bicentennial Man and now the Ex Machina (watched yesterday) moved me. I wonder how our social system/Religion would react to such relationship.
Do Read(); Research(); Experiment(); UnTil You Inspire!
Just read everything Asimov has written and take your time. Our relation to machines has not changed very much since ELIZA and will probably not get better any time soon.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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Member 11683251 wrote:
I'll be a firm believer in AI/Machine rights.
Lots of humans and animals still lack those rights, and you want them for machines? Unless it is conscious, it is a machine that cannot suffer, nor needs rights.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
Got to make sure to be in their good graces when they take over. But just because those rights are lacking around the world doesn't mean that this won't be important in the future. Things doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. One big problem with human rights abuse and also animal abuse is that other countries just stand at the sidelines. But if we reach this point we shouldn't ignore this question just because we haven't solved other problems around the globe. In the end I hope that technology will be a huge factor to reduce differences between people. A lot of the time when communicating over the internet it doesn't matter who you are speaking to, where they are from or what they believe as long as you stick to a subject. Ofc, the demographics on the specific platform of communication and it's intended purpose is important. Going by youtube comments alone we are doomed.
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Got to make sure to be in their good graces when they take over. But just because those rights are lacking around the world doesn't mean that this won't be important in the future. Things doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. One big problem with human rights abuse and also animal abuse is that other countries just stand at the sidelines. But if we reach this point we shouldn't ignore this question just because we haven't solved other problems around the globe. In the end I hope that technology will be a huge factor to reduce differences between people. A lot of the time when communicating over the internet it doesn't matter who you are speaking to, where they are from or what they believe as long as you stick to a subject. Ofc, the demographics on the specific platform of communication and it's intended purpose is important. Going by youtube comments alone we are doomed.
Being intelligent, aware, and conscious does still not imply empathy.
Member 11683251 wrote:
But if we reach this point we shouldn't ignore this question just because we haven't solved other problems around the globe.
No, but we also should not be doing interesting with non-problems whilst being faced with real problems. Machines don't need rights. Not today, not tomorrow, and not in the coming decade.
Member 11683251 wrote:
In the end I hope that technology will be a huge factor to reduce differences between people.
History says that it will have two major industries that will be first adopters; the army and the sex industry. Aw, yes, they will be used to reduce people. Soldiers that do not sleep, disobey, or rebel. If history is any guide, then robots will be dumb guards for a global prison, owned by a few.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
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Being intelligent, aware, and conscious does still not imply empathy.
Member 11683251 wrote:
But if we reach this point we shouldn't ignore this question just because we haven't solved other problems around the globe.
No, but we also should not be doing interesting with non-problems whilst being faced with real problems. Machines don't need rights. Not today, not tomorrow, and not in the coming decade.
Member 11683251 wrote:
In the end I hope that technology will be a huge factor to reduce differences between people.
History says that it will have two major industries that will be first adopters; the army and the sex industry. Aw, yes, they will be used to reduce people. Soldiers that do not sleep, disobey, or rebel. If history is any guide, then robots will be dumb guards for a global prison, owned by a few.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
History says that it will have two major industries that will be first adopters; the army and the sex industry.
We are so fucked.
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Switch off the computer and search out a sentient being.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
Finding a sentient being isn't a problem, but an intelligent one can be harder. I'll stay behind my screen to avoid being disappointed/disappoint anyone. :java:
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Just read everything Asimov has written and take your time. Our relation to machines has not changed very much since ELIZA and will probably not get better any time soon.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
It may help to bear in mind that these are films and not documentaries, that is they are works of fiction. I'm not trying to be funny here I'm just trying to point out that inspiration is great however scientific breakthroughs require much more than inspiration - they require extremely long hours and hard work, usually a slightly crazy genius and the most important ingredient of all which is serendipity(which by its very nature is completely unpredictable and unable to be created but only appears to present itself to those who work hard and are gifted with curiosity).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
What it is written as science fiction today, can be remembered as reportage tomorrow. Who thought people could reach the 100 years old in the medieval age? Or being in the other part of the world in less than one day 500 years ago? or in the space 200 years ago? Or with video calls 50 years ago? Or managing a computer without phyical devices only from gesture 15 years ago? Flying cars, Space colonies, AI... it is only a matter of time. And yes... in my deep I am afraid. If an AI really gets so far to be an "entity"... such "sh1t" like Matrix or Terminator or oder films like that... well, I hope you are right and it nevers see the light. But films like "war game" or similars where the maschine just points our own weapons against us and pull the trigger... that could be not so nonsense or fantastic.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Human Machine relationship though sounds futuristic but the way AI is progressing, we going to embrace it much sooner than we estimate. First The Bicentennial Man and now the Ex Machina (watched yesterday) moved me. I wonder how our social system/Religion would react to such relationship.
Do Read(); Research(); Experiment(); UnTil You Inspire!
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CDP1802 wrote:
ELIZA
My hair is turning grey. And I have no emoticon to express it.
Life is too shor
You should discuss this with ELIZA[^]
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Why would you ever have any kind of relationship with a machine? They have no intelligence and never will. They are called machines for a reason.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Well, we know at least one algorithm that supposedly produced intelligence, among other things. It is called evolution. Now, is it really so unthinkable that an evolutionary algorithm can produce similar results on a computer.
RyanDev wrote:
They are called machines for a reason.
So, a housecat owns houses? Or do the build them? Perhaps it hunts houses? The way things are called usually is not very solid evidence of their properties?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Well, we know at least one algorithm that supposedly produced intelligence, among other things. It is called evolution. Now, is it really so unthinkable that an evolutionary algorithm can produce similar results on a computer.
RyanDev wrote:
They are called machines for a reason.
So, a housecat owns houses? Or do the build them? Perhaps it hunts houses? The way things are called usually is not very solid evidence of their properties?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
CDP1802 wrote:
It is called evolution.
:laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Stop lauging! We did not come to the end of the joke yet! Evolutionary algorithms[^] actually work very well and even a high school student can manage some simple implementation in just one evening. The real joke would be the insane amounts of processing (and real) time that would be needed to evolve anything with noticable intelligence. Mother nature needed quite a few (hundred) million years and the algorithm would most probably not be faster.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Stop lauging! We did not come to the end of the joke yet! Evolutionary algorithms[^] actually work very well and even a high school student can manage some simple implementation in just one evening. The real joke would be the insane amounts of processing (and real) time that would be needed to evolve anything with noticable intelligence. Mother nature needed quite a few (hundred) million years and the algorithm would most probably not be faster.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
I'll gladly go to the soapbox to continue discussing your interesting theory.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
That must wait until after work, but I would love to show you my Orcs, which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
That must wait until after work, but I would love to show you my Orcs, which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them
But it all boils down to a bunch of if-else statements. That's not intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them
But it all boils down to a bunch of if-else statements. That's not intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
On the contrary. I made this to replace the if-else-logic. On this level, learning (or better: adaptation) happens in the evolutionary algorithm. Each instance is created with all its acquired information in its 'genes' (or configuration). If it proves to be better than the others, it will be selected for reproduction, with a small chance of a mutation. Through the mutations new values come into the genome. Given enough generations of selection, reproduction and mutation, you will get a solution close enough to the optimum. If the criteria of selection change, then the genes will again need a few generations to adapt. This is still a very primitive AI, but it's good enough for a game. but what if you apply such an evolutionary algorithm to configure the topology and weights in a neural network?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
On the contrary. I made this to replace the if-else-logic. On this level, learning (or better: adaptation) happens in the evolutionary algorithm. Each instance is created with all its acquired information in its 'genes' (or configuration). If it proves to be better than the others, it will be selected for reproduction, with a small chance of a mutation. Through the mutations new values come into the genome. Given enough generations of selection, reproduction and mutation, you will get a solution close enough to the optimum. If the criteria of selection change, then the genes will again need a few generations to adapt. This is still a very primitive AI, but it's good enough for a game. but what if you apply such an evolutionary algorithm to configure the topology and weights in a neural network?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.I'm not sure if your are still talking programming or actual life. If you want to discuss evolution in actual life, we'll need to go to the soapbox. If you want to discuss it in terms of programming, there's nothing to discuss. Someone wrote code. Period.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I'm not sure if your are still talking programming or actual life. If you want to discuss evolution in actual life, we'll need to go to the soapbox. If you want to discuss it in terms of programming, there's nothing to discuss. Someone wrote code. Period.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Someone wrote code. Period.
May I ask why you see a difference there? Selection, reproduction and mutation simply exist in nature, in a program they must be implemented. Still, the basic principles remain the same.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.