Human Machine relationship
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It may help to bear in mind that these are films and not documentaries, that is they are works of fiction. I'm not trying to be funny here I'm just trying to point out that inspiration is great however scientific breakthroughs require much more than inspiration - they require extremely long hours and hard work, usually a slightly crazy genius and the most important ingredient of all which is serendipity(which by its very nature is completely unpredictable and unable to be created but only appears to present itself to those who work hard and are gifted with curiosity).
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
What it is written as science fiction today, can be remembered as reportage tomorrow. Who thought people could reach the 100 years old in the medieval age? Or being in the other part of the world in less than one day 500 years ago? or in the space 200 years ago? Or with video calls 50 years ago? Or managing a computer without phyical devices only from gesture 15 years ago? Flying cars, Space colonies, AI... it is only a matter of time. And yes... in my deep I am afraid. If an AI really gets so far to be an "entity"... such "sh1t" like Matrix or Terminator or oder films like that... well, I hope you are right and it nevers see the light. But films like "war game" or similars where the maschine just points our own weapons against us and pull the trigger... that could be not so nonsense or fantastic.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Human Machine relationship though sounds futuristic but the way AI is progressing, we going to embrace it much sooner than we estimate. First The Bicentennial Man and now the Ex Machina (watched yesterday) moved me. I wonder how our social system/Religion would react to such relationship.
Do Read(); Research(); Experiment(); UnTil You Inspire!
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CDP1802 wrote:
ELIZA
My hair is turning grey. And I have no emoticon to express it.
Life is too shor
You should discuss this with ELIZA[^]
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Why would you ever have any kind of relationship with a machine? They have no intelligence and never will. They are called machines for a reason.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Well, we know at least one algorithm that supposedly produced intelligence, among other things. It is called evolution. Now, is it really so unthinkable that an evolutionary algorithm can produce similar results on a computer.
RyanDev wrote:
They are called machines for a reason.
So, a housecat owns houses? Or do the build them? Perhaps it hunts houses? The way things are called usually is not very solid evidence of their properties?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Well, we know at least one algorithm that supposedly produced intelligence, among other things. It is called evolution. Now, is it really so unthinkable that an evolutionary algorithm can produce similar results on a computer.
RyanDev wrote:
They are called machines for a reason.
So, a housecat owns houses? Or do the build them? Perhaps it hunts houses? The way things are called usually is not very solid evidence of their properties?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
CDP1802 wrote:
It is called evolution.
:laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Stop lauging! We did not come to the end of the joke yet! Evolutionary algorithms[^] actually work very well and even a high school student can manage some simple implementation in just one evening. The real joke would be the insane amounts of processing (and real) time that would be needed to evolve anything with noticable intelligence. Mother nature needed quite a few (hundred) million years and the algorithm would most probably not be faster.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Stop lauging! We did not come to the end of the joke yet! Evolutionary algorithms[^] actually work very well and even a high school student can manage some simple implementation in just one evening. The real joke would be the insane amounts of processing (and real) time that would be needed to evolve anything with noticable intelligence. Mother nature needed quite a few (hundred) million years and the algorithm would most probably not be faster.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
I'll gladly go to the soapbox to continue discussing your interesting theory.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
That must wait until after work, but I would love to show you my Orcs, which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
That must wait until after work, but I would love to show you my Orcs, which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them
But it all boils down to a bunch of if-else statements. That's not intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
which evolve a solution for fighting in a browser game in mere minutes. Plus the bonus of continuously adapting to whatever ways the players figure out to beat them
But it all boils down to a bunch of if-else statements. That's not intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
On the contrary. I made this to replace the if-else-logic. On this level, learning (or better: adaptation) happens in the evolutionary algorithm. Each instance is created with all its acquired information in its 'genes' (or configuration). If it proves to be better than the others, it will be selected for reproduction, with a small chance of a mutation. Through the mutations new values come into the genome. Given enough generations of selection, reproduction and mutation, you will get a solution close enough to the optimum. If the criteria of selection change, then the genes will again need a few generations to adapt. This is still a very primitive AI, but it's good enough for a game. but what if you apply such an evolutionary algorithm to configure the topology and weights in a neural network?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
On the contrary. I made this to replace the if-else-logic. On this level, learning (or better: adaptation) happens in the evolutionary algorithm. Each instance is created with all its acquired information in its 'genes' (or configuration). If it proves to be better than the others, it will be selected for reproduction, with a small chance of a mutation. Through the mutations new values come into the genome. Given enough generations of selection, reproduction and mutation, you will get a solution close enough to the optimum. If the criteria of selection change, then the genes will again need a few generations to adapt. This is still a very primitive AI, but it's good enough for a game. but what if you apply such an evolutionary algorithm to configure the topology and weights in a neural network?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.I'm not sure if your are still talking programming or actual life. If you want to discuss evolution in actual life, we'll need to go to the soapbox. If you want to discuss it in terms of programming, there's nothing to discuss. Someone wrote code. Period.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I'm not sure if your are still talking programming or actual life. If you want to discuss evolution in actual life, we'll need to go to the soapbox. If you want to discuss it in terms of programming, there's nothing to discuss. Someone wrote code. Period.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Someone wrote code. Period.
May I ask why you see a difference there? Selection, reproduction and mutation simply exist in nature, in a program they must be implemented. Still, the basic principles remain the same.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
RyanDev wrote:
Someone wrote code. Period.
May I ask why you see a difference there? Selection, reproduction and mutation simply exist in nature, in a program they must be implemented. Still, the basic principles remain the same.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
May I ask why you see a difference there?
The difference is computers are stupid and idiotic. They can only process 1s and 0s. There is no intelligence whatsoever in a computer. There cannot be any mutations. Computers do exactly and only exactly what they are told.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
May I ask why you see a difference there?
The difference is computers are stupid and idiotic. They can only process 1s and 0s. There is no intelligence whatsoever in a computer. There cannot be any mutations. Computers do exactly and only exactly what they are told.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
True, but our genes are also only made of base pairs. Molecules are not very intelligent either, but obviously they are used to hold the information that controls the small biochemical machines known as living cells. Mutations are just little errors which happen along the way. They bring new values into play and will be passed to future generations if they prove to be benificial in any way. Neurons are living cells which implement a logical function, an algorithm. We have quite a few examples of existing brains which represent networks of such neurons and which supposedly display intelligence. A computer can emulate these mechanisms. Regardless of the resources and time needed, or how precise or abstract the emulation has to be, but generally I see no fundamental obstacle that would make this impossible to do on a computer and that the results would be similar to nature.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
True, but our genes are also only made of base pairs. Molecules are not very intelligent either, but obviously they are used to hold the information that controls the small biochemical machines known as living cells. Mutations are just little errors which happen along the way. They bring new values into play and will be passed to future generations if they prove to be benificial in any way. Neurons are living cells which implement a logical function, an algorithm. We have quite a few examples of existing brains which represent networks of such neurons and which supposedly display intelligence. A computer can emulate these mechanisms. Regardless of the resources and time needed, or how precise or abstract the emulation has to be, but generally I see no fundamental obstacle that would make this impossible to do on a computer and that the results would be similar to nature.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
CDP1802 wrote:
living
There is the keyword.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Living = complex biochemical processes inside a cell. Do I really have to simulate them all if I only want to emulate the logical switching function of a neuron? I see no mystical unmeasurable life energy that somehow would be missing in an emulated neuron and preventing it from behaving similar enough to its natural counterpart. And one more thing: Hardware and software are said to be compatible, meaning that if you are able to define a valid algorithm, then you can implement it either in form of a program or design an equivalent logical circuit. Just countless numbers of logic gates with an enormously complex wiring that possibly implements the algorithm 'intelligence'.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Living = complex biochemical processes inside a cell. Do I really have to simulate them all if I only want to emulate the logical switching function of a neuron? I see no mystical unmeasurable life energy that somehow would be missing in an emulated neuron and preventing it from behaving similar enough to its natural counterpart. And one more thing: Hardware and software are said to be compatible, meaning that if you are able to define a valid algorithm, then you can implement it either in form of a program or design an equivalent logical circuit. Just countless numbers of logic gates with an enormously complex wiring that possibly implements the algorithm 'intelligence'.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
Living = complex biochemical processes inside a cell.
Not really. Living means having a soul, a spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Science cannot make a soul and that is where the intelligence originates; therefore, we'll never be able to make true intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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CDP1802 wrote:
Living = complex biochemical processes inside a cell.
Not really. Living means having a soul, a spirit, or whatever you want to call it. Science cannot make a soul and that is where the intelligence originates; therefore, we'll never be able to make true intelligence.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Then it must be impossible to study it and gather a mathematical model of a cell's function and the emulation must, without obvious reason, differ from the original. Why does this not happen in models used in medical or pharma applications? Or, if such unexplained differences exist, why is there no way to find their cause?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
Then it must be impossible to study it and gather a mathematical model of a cell's function and the emulation must, without obvious reason, differ from the original. Why does this not happen in models used in medical or pharma applications? Or, if such unexplained differences exist, why is there no way to find their cause?
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
CDP1802 wrote:
Then it must be impossible to study it
I don't see why. :confused:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Because this soul must be the thing that makes the difference between a living cell and my, as you believe, not working simulation. If it were something that can be measured, then I would of course take it into account and the simulation would work. Therefore it must be something that cannot be measured and that there is even no clue to where to look for it. Your belief in all honor, but I find it hard to believe in the existence of a thing that can't be seen, measured or does not at least cause any noticable effects. A simulation can be plagued with all kinds of problems, including overly simplifying the model or too little precision, but a missing soul seems not to be among them.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.