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VW Blames The Programmers!!!

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    Kevin Marois
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    Here[^] I blame QA

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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      Here[^] I blame QA

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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      glennPattonWork3
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      Good Grief!, The stuff I worked on was so heavily reviewed any 'funny behavior' would be have been logged and either removed or as I think here ignored...

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        Jim Meadors
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        Yeah, I guess the programmers should have reported it rather than implementing it... :doh:

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          Good Grief!, The stuff I worked on was so heavily reviewed any 'funny behavior' would be have been logged and either removed or as I think here ignored...

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          Kevin Marois
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          What a cheezy ass thing to do.. Anyone with any form in intelligence knows this came from the top. Now they're going to have to find new programmers after their IT department jumps ship.

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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            What a cheezy ass thing to do.. Anyone with any form in intelligence knows this came from the top. Now they're going to have to find new programmers after their IT department jumps ship.

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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            Lost User
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            Kevin Marois wrote:

            Now they're going to have to find new programmers after their IT department jumps ship.

            Kevin Marois wrote:

            Anyone with any form in intelligence knows this came from the top.

            Horn wrote:

            "We have broken the trust of our customers, dealerships, and employees, as well as the public and regulators."

            And now they have broken the trust of the software engineering which will prevent them from ever hiring any talent again. They will be stuck with run of the mil programmers that do just what they are claiming they did on their own. No SE will work for them because we do all know that it was some manager that mandated it on the engineering team, and he was mandated by some number from marketing, that was receiving the mandate from the board. Yeah, the board did not say "hack the program", but when we play the telephone game[^] through the corporate structure that is exactly what happens.

            Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.

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              What a cheezy ass thing to do.. Anyone with any form in intelligence knows this came from the top. Now they're going to have to find new programmers after their IT department jumps ship.

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              Apparently the VW head office got raided by the police today as the prosecutors office in Braunschweig got indications of a massive coverup happening.

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                GuyThiebaut
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                I watched the video and I think he is fibbing. Someone, high up, somewhere probably said "don't ask any questions" when the test for emissions came back from the labs.

                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                  Here[^] I blame QA

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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                  Lost User
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                  VW Blames The Programmers!!!

                  What a pile of BS! The top management of any company may delegate responsibilities to underlings, but they can never escape accountability. They remain accountable for ALL actions of their underlings.

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                    OriginalGriff
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                    Well...I never thought management would gets it's hands dirty and code it themselves! :laugh: But it's a big company, with (I would assume) heavy duty reviews and QA procedures - if only to avoid lawsuits if there was a software glitch and someone in the USA crashed as a result. So I can't see something like this getting through the system unless it was instigated, supported, and specified by management through the whole chain of command. (And no, I don't want to get into a "German programmers were just obeying orders" argument!)

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      I wonder if VW will make the judgement that is cheaper to abandon the US market than fix the cars and pay the fines.

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                        Joe Woodbury
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                        What nonsense. I further suspect that this thing is going to spread a lot further and will include VW gas engines as well. I know a few people with Volkswagons and even the fanboys complain about how difficult it is to get them serviced if there is something wrong with the computer. The fact that so many had problems with the computer is equally troubling.

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                          Yeah, I guess the programmers should have reported it rather than implementing it... :doh:

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                          Kenneth Haugland
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                          And never get a job again. Oh wait, that's gonna happen now too :laugh:

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                            Lost User
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                            the hamsters did it!

                            it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

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                              Weylyn Cadwell
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                              Well, they're technically not wrong. They're just leaving off extremely important information, but that's standard business stuff. You don't lie, you just leave off the important bits.

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                                Eytukan
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                                "We know we can fix these vehicles to meet emissions standards," Horn said, adding that a potential fix would likely have a "slight impact on performance. One or two miles of top speed might be missing." He think his mind reads it "we KNEW and that's why we went for this trick" :evil:. They are actually blaming software engineers for not implementing a quality AI that detects, if a secret enquiry is happening and continue act innocent for any longer- as long as it senses someone stalking :rolleyes:

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                                  I wonder if VW will make the judgement that is cheaper to abandon the US market than fix the cars and pay the fines.

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                                  Daniel Pfeffer
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                                  A couple of problems with doing this: 1. That would still not prevent class action suits by VW purchasers. If they can't get at VW directly, they might go after the assets of any company wholly owned by VW. 2. The U.S. government would certainly go after the assets of any company owned by VW. To summarize, this would involve stopping any and all U.S. activity by VW or its subsidiaries. Given today's world, I doubt that it is even possible, let alone desirable.

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                                    Here[^] I blame QA

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                                    Super Lloyd
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                                    Well... since the executive do not really do anything, they can hardly be guilty of anything, can they?! :omg:

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                                      Here[^] I blame QA

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                                      Sander Rossel
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                                      So they're not only frauds, but also liars and cowards... And they're already being hired by other companies for top functions. We live in a messed up world :sigh:

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                                        hakahme
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                                        Are they foolhardy or just desperate? Some "rogue" programmer might have documented the assignment. Any civil servant would certainly have done so. And if the effect really was neglible, why ever take the risk?:~

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                                          Dominic Burford
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                                          It stated on the news that a couple of "rogue programmers" were responsible. Does anyone seriously believe this is the truth?! Seriously. A couple of programmers managed to hack the software and no-one noticed? Not one person reviewed their code, not one person questioned why they made the changes they did, no one raised a single concern! Bullsh*t! We all know this directive came from the very top. Maybe they didn't explicitly mention anything about hacking the on-board software in the cars, but the directive would have been "Make the cars appear more efficient and cleaner and we will provide huge monetary incentives". Typically the big dicks at the top of the tree are sh*tting all over those at the bottom. What complete assholes! Sorry, but this makes me really angry :mad:. And relax :-D

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