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  • L Lost User

    deinit has to be public otherwise if someone calls init twice it will reinitialize automatically on second call - if I follow that approach you mention, is it thread safe?

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    John Torjo
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    why?

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      why?

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      because that is how the class was used before that in C++ I am rewriting now Ok if I follow your suggestion then calling init twice - will reinitialize it yes? But is it thread safe now?

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        why?

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        granted anyone using Parameters class WILL first check if it was inited or not using getter

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        • L Lost User

          because that is how the class was used before that in C++ I am rewriting now Ok if I follow your suggestion then calling init twice - will reinitialize it yes? But is it thread safe now?

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          You really need to get a grasp on threading concepts. 1. Since you're accessing data inside a lock(), it is thread-safe 2. You can force the clients of your class to call init before using it - either with Debug.Asserts, or by throwing an exception if the class is not initalized 3. Why would you want to re-init this several times? Best, John

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            You really need to get a grasp on threading concepts. 1. Since you're accessing data inside a lock(), it is thread-safe 2. You can force the clients of your class to call init before using it - either with Debug.Asserts, or by throwing an exception if the class is not initalized 3. Why would you want to re-init this several times? Best, John

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            Few points: 1) I will make that class actually internal and only other class in DLL will be able to use it (I am writing that DLL too) - users can now use other public classes of DLL which use my Parameters class 2) So the only direct user of that class is ME and I can ensure before its properties are accessed by other methods in other classes, there is a call checking if the method is inited or not 3) Maybe users want to specify other parameters - hence need for deinit What do you think now?

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            • L Lost User

              Few points: 1) I will make that class actually internal and only other class in DLL will be able to use it (I am writing that DLL too) - users can now use other public classes of DLL which use my Parameters class 2) So the only direct user of that class is ME and I can ensure before its properties are accessed by other methods in other classes, there is a call checking if the method is inited or not 3) Maybe users want to specify other parameters - hence need for deinit What do you think now?

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              3. you can provide a function (thread-safe) that changes the values (without de-initializing). Best, John

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                3. you can provide a function (thread-safe) that changes the values (without de-initializing). Best, John

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                Why are you so much against Deinit function? Is it so problematic? Assume I want Deinit function, I basically gave all the details in above comments and in the main question - would you say in such case my Parameters class is thread safe?

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                • L Lost User

                  Why are you so much against Deinit function? Is it so problematic? Assume I want Deinit function, I basically gave all the details in above comments and in the main question - would you say in such case my Parameters class is thread safe?

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                  John Torjo
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                  1. About deinit()- if that's what you want, fine. It's just that to me it seems to just bring extra complexity - but hey, it's your code :) 2. Yes, it's thread-safe Best, John

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                  • J John Torjo

                    1. About deinit()- if that's what you want, fine. It's just that to me it seems to just bring extra complexity - but hey, it's your code :) 2. Yes, it's thread-safe Best, John

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                    Is it also thread safe if I remove isInited checks from X1 and X2 getters? - Granted no one calls any methods of this class, unless a init method is called (this I can ensure because I am using this class directly) - I have isInited check first in any method calling this class.

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                      Is it also thread safe if I remove isInited checks from X1 and X2 getters? - Granted no one calls any methods of this class, unless a init method is called (this I can ensure because I am using this class directly) - I have isInited check first in any method calling this class.

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                      1. Yes it is - variables X1/X2 are automatically initialized to zero. 2. You modified your code:

                      public static int X1()
                      {
                      if(!isInited()) throw new Exception("init first");
                      return x1;

                      }

                      should be

                      public static int X1()
                      {
                      lock(this) {
                      if(!isInited()) throw new Exception("init first");
                      return x1;
                      }
                      }

                      Best, John

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                      • J John Torjo

                        1. Yes it is - variables X1/X2 are automatically initialized to zero. 2. You modified your code:

                        public static int X1()
                        {
                        if(!isInited()) throw new Exception("init first");
                        return x1;

                        }

                        should be

                        public static int X1()
                        {
                        lock(this) {
                        if(!isInited()) throw new Exception("init first");
                        return x1;
                        }
                        }

                        Best, John

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                        Yeah but I said what if I do

                        public static int X1()
                        {

                          return x1;
                        

                        }

                        Granted none calls these methods before INIT method is called (I can ensure this because I am writing those methods) - I will check isInited calls in the start of each method calling this class

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                        • L Lost User

                          Yeah but I said what if I do

                          public static int X1()
                          {

                            return x1;
                          

                          }

                          Granted none calls these methods before INIT method is called (I can ensure this because I am writing those methods) - I will check isInited calls in the start of each method calling this class

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                          John Torjo
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                          No, that is not thread-safe. This is :

                          public static int X1{} { lock(locker) return x1; }

                          Best, John

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                            No, that is not thread-safe. This is :

                            public static int X1{} { lock(locker) return x1; }

                            Best, John

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                            Please look at my final version and tell me what you think: http://codepad.org/T3D6uabs[^]

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                              Please look at my final version and tell me what you think: http://codepad.org/T3D6uabs[^]

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                              yes, it's threadsafe

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                              • J John Torjo

                                yes, it's threadsafe

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                                Thanks a lot, few more questions, and I would appreciate if you can help: - if I add more variables other than x1 and x2 but I maintain same style in accessing and initializing them will it affect thread safety? will it affect performance? (probably). Do you know more performance friendly way to solve the problem my class solves?

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                                  Thanks a lot, few more questions, and I would appreciate if you can help: - if I add more variables other than x1 and x2 but I maintain same style in accessing and initializing them will it affect thread safety? will it affect performance? (probably). Do you know more performance friendly way to solve the problem my class solves?

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                                  1. if you add more variables in the same manner, yes 2. will it affect performance? don't worry about that, performance will be the same. And on the init()/deinit() - the "decrease" won't be noticeable. 3. Your class is fine Best, John

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                                    1. if you add more variables in the same manner, yes 2. will it affect performance? don't worry about that, performance will be the same. And on the init()/deinit() - the "decrease" won't be noticeable. 3. Your class is fine Best, John

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                                    Thanks a lot!!! So you are saying if I add more properties in same manner, it won't be problem?

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                                      1. if you add more variables in the same manner, yes 2. will it affect performance? don't worry about that, performance will be the same. And on the init()/deinit() - the "decrease" won't be noticeable. 3. Your class is fine Best, John

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                                      Great job supporting this OP, John. I am voting your replies up. cheers, Bill

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                                        Great job supporting this OP, John. I am voting your replies up. cheers, Bill

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                                        John Torjo
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                                        Thanks :-O

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          Thanks a lot!!! So you are saying if I add more properties in same manner, it won't be problem?

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                                          Yup, that's exactly what I'm saying :) Best, John

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