Well aren't you just high and mighty just like Stack overflow!
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Difficult though - when you spend time testing and writing a solution, post it, get a request for some clarification from the OP and go back to find that The Usual Suspects have closed the question since he replied. Meaning you have to leave him in limbo because you can't reply to him at all...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
have closed the question since he replied.
I agree. It happens quite often when get a reply to a comment and the question has since been closed. I do agree that if there is a solution the question should always remain open. Just don't count anymore unclear posts beyond the 3 anyway and leave it open. However, it feels like 90% of QA questions are unclear so I have little sympathy for them getting closed. Hopefully the OP reads our comments before it gets closed and realizes they need to be more clear. My favorite is when you ask for clarification and they copy and paste the original "question" as if that clears things up. :laugh: :laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I've been on here for years, mostly recreationally. So someone asks a legitimate question this morning, and I actually saw the flaw so I answered it. Three of you high and mighty "power users" closed the question because
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Closed because the post is not clear, or is incomplete and has not been phrased in a way that allows it to be fully understood..
I understood it, I read his code example, and my answer existed before you closed it. I took the time and effort to write it as a code block, and even test the code locally before submitting. What was the point of closing a question with a working answer? As of this moment, the user with the problem can't see my answer, you deleted my well formed and working answer for what reason? I solved his problem but you're hiding it from him! Don't you feel powerful - this is what I hated about Stack Overflow - you try to help but the high and mighty power users crap all over you, and it's obvious that they didn't read the question. I'm talking to you
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Reported by Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov, Maciej Los, digimanus on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:36pm
What is wrong with you? Why are you so selfish and ARROGANT? I'm logging out. Try to help and you get crapped on. Nice system you got here, Chris.
I know nothing about your particular post, but you are right on about Stack Overflow. Their formula seems to be: 1: incoming new question 2: as quickly as possible, close it and mark it off topic This helps no one and drives people (like me) away. If it is spam like "cheap nike shoes" then yes, delete it. When my kids ask something in a less than perfect way, I try to figure out what they mean and answer it - I don't say "you are off topic" and walk away.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
have closed the question since he replied.
I agree. It happens quite often when get a reply to a comment and the question has since been closed. I do agree that if there is a solution the question should always remain open. Just don't count anymore unclear posts beyond the 3 anyway and leave it open. However, it feels like 90% of QA questions are unclear so I have little sympathy for them getting closed. Hopefully the OP reads our comments before it gets closed and realizes they need to be more clear. My favorite is when you ask for clarification and they copy and paste the original "question" as if that clears things up. :laugh: :laugh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Hmm. I just checked the question I think he means: Cope and paste listview more advanced[^] and it's interesting but that also has an answer from SAK - who is listed as one of the people closing it as "not clear, or is incomplete and has not been phrased in a way that allows it to be fully understood" - according to his answers list. For some reason, that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth...
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Slacker007 wrote:
I think your rant is justified
Throwing a tantrum because 3 people disagreed with him is justified? :doh:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I doubt that the motivation was that three people disagreed. Taking the time to formulate an answer that is deleted a bit later, complete with the question. Why would anyone take their time to answer a question, if said question is going to dissapear? Sounds like a bad investment to me. You're downplaying the complaint, it seems :)
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I doubt that the motivation was that three people disagreed. Taking the time to formulate an answer that is deleted a bit later, complete with the question. Why would anyone take their time to answer a question, if said question is going to dissapear? Sounds like a bad investment to me. You're downplaying the complaint, it seems :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Why would anyone take their time to answer a question, if said question is going to dissapear?
You're right, if we knew ahead of time we likely wouldn't help. But since this happens at a very low percentage, keep fighting the good fight. ;)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You're downplaying the complaint, it seems
Most definitely. It's happened to me before as well. I say whooop-tee-doo. Who cares? :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I know nothing about your particular post, but you are right on about Stack Overflow. Their formula seems to be: 1: incoming new question 2: as quickly as possible, close it and mark it off topic This helps no one and drives people (like me) away. If it is spam like "cheap nike shoes" then yes, delete it. When my kids ask something in a less than perfect way, I try to figure out what they mean and answer it - I don't say "you are off topic" and walk away.
Basildane wrote:
but you are right on about Stack Overflow.
For fear of being blasted off this site, I've never seen a problem with SO. It gets beaten to a pulp here from time to time and it may be deserved, I'm not sure. All I know is more often than not, when I find an answer in google search results it's usually on a SO post. :^) Of course, when I do find answers the questions are worded very clearly and the work is shown. It makes me wonder why does CP get the posters who don't know how to ask questions? Perhaps it's because SO already blasted them?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Why would anyone take their time to answer a question, if said question is going to dissapear?
You're right, if we knew ahead of time we likely wouldn't help. But since this happens at a very low percentage, keep fighting the good fight. ;)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You're downplaying the complaint, it seems
Most definitely. It's happened to me before as well. I say whooop-tee-doo. Who cares? :-\
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
But since this happens at a very low percentage, keep fighting the good fight. ;)
I wouldn't know, I still avoid the QA-section. Happens on the forums too, and while once is merely an event, it could have happened to the OP more than once in the last couple of weeks. Other differences are that it only took three votes to delete it, and the fact that it might have been deleted for the wrong motivation.
RyanDev wrote:
Who cares? :-\
Judging by the size of this thread..
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RyanDev wrote:
But since this happens at a very low percentage, keep fighting the good fight. ;)
I wouldn't know, I still avoid the QA-section. Happens on the forums too, and while once is merely an event, it could have happened to the OP more than once in the last couple of weeks. Other differences are that it only took three votes to delete it, and the fact that it might have been deleted for the wrong motivation.
RyanDev wrote:
Who cares? :-\
Judging by the size of this thread..
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
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I know nothing about your particular post, but you are right on about Stack Overflow. Their formula seems to be: 1: incoming new question 2: as quickly as possible, close it and mark it off topic This helps no one and drives people (like me) away. If it is spam like "cheap nike shoes" then yes, delete it. When my kids ask something in a less than perfect way, I try to figure out what they mean and answer it - I don't say "you are off topic" and walk away.
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Basildane wrote:
but you are right on about Stack Overflow.
For fear of being blasted off this site, I've never seen a problem with SO. It gets beaten to a pulp here from time to time and it may be deserved, I'm not sure. All I know is more often than not, when I find an answer in google search results it's usually on a SO post. :^) Of course, when I do find answers the questions are worded very clearly and the work is shown. It makes me wonder why does CP get the posters who don't know how to ask questions? Perhaps it's because SO already blasted them?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I've got to admin 90% of my queries are answered by google putting up SO. Yet I have only once been tempted to contribute, and yet I am happy to contribute here, odd. If I am looking for an article 90% are supplied by CP, different focus I guess, different values.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Basildane wrote:
but you are right on about Stack Overflow.
For fear of being blasted off this site, I've never seen a problem with SO. It gets beaten to a pulp here from time to time and it may be deserved, I'm not sure. All I know is more often than not, when I find an answer in google search results it's usually on a SO post. :^) Of course, when I do find answers the questions are worded very clearly and the work is shown. It makes me wonder why does CP get the posters who don't know how to ask questions? Perhaps it's because SO already blasted them?
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
I dare say it's down to google's algorththms, and maybe how they choose to index SO. The bad questions will still be there, they just don't rank highly. The well-asked and well-answered ones that are up-voted highly will gain better ranking. It is depressing though that so many questions here are poor quality. Maybe a quicker, more decisive moderation system to just delete the utter crap so it's never even seen is needed.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
but it seem that Chris only has ears for MS as if they own him or something.
I'm pretty sure this will have been the stupidest thing I will read today.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
And yes, it is rude, arrogant, and selfish
To mark something as unclear? :omg: :wtf: :wtf: Let's all realize it is possible they did not see the solution. It's a long enough question that it's possible someone didn't realize a solution was there before marking it unclear.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
RyanDev wrote:
Let's all realize it is possible they did not see the solution. It's a long enough question that it's possible someone didn't realize a solution was there before marking it unclear.
So, they did not read it before marking as unclear? Sorry, I can't agree with you on that one.
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RyanDev wrote:
Let's all realize it is possible they did not see the solution. It's a long enough question that it's possible someone didn't realize a solution was there before marking it unclear.
So, they did not read it before marking as unclear? Sorry, I can't agree with you on that one.
Sentenryu wrote:
So, they did not read it before marking as unclear? Sorry, I can't agree with you on that one.
I agree. I cannot agree with that statement either.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Why should they have to, I think is the real point. I agree with the OP, and I share in their frustration.
Yeah, that's the kind of bullshit that made me leave (rage quit) Stack Overflow. Trying to help someone only to find that the website decried me as "too new" to even help the guy even though we were working on the exact same problems. Then when I raised a shitstorm, all the existing users downvoted me until I was basically back at a total noob exp level and unable to do anything. Fuck that shit hole.
