Does anyone still think that Turkey is not behind ISIS
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Hey, the Americans know it from decades, that's why they eat all the turkey they can on thanksgiving, right?
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
Russia has them on the run? :sigh: Do you actually have any evidence (I'm disinclined to count Russian news outlets!) bearing in mind that the first Russian attacks somehow managed to miss IS targets altogether and hit Turkmen settlements instead. There's certainly a lot of people running when Russian aircraft come into Syria but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated and the motives for the attacks less than clear it's not necessarily the right people or for the right reasons. Turkey certainly has a lot to answer for in its relationship with IS but its being pissed off with Russia is a whole other can of worms.
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Russia has them on the run? :sigh: Do you actually have any evidence (I'm disinclined to count Russian news outlets!) bearing in mind that the first Russian attacks somehow managed to miss IS targets altogether and hit Turkmen settlements instead. There's certainly a lot of people running when Russian aircraft come into Syria but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated and the motives for the attacks less than clear it's not necessarily the right people or for the right reasons. Turkey certainly has a lot to answer for in its relationship with IS but its being pissed off with Russia is a whole other can of worms.
Member 9082365 wrote:
the first Russian attacks somehow managed to miss IS targets altogether and hit Turkmen settlements instead
Well i guess you know the russian targets?
Member 9082365 wrote:
hat Russian targeting technology is outdated
Well i guess you know their technology?
Member 9082365 wrote:
the motives for the attacks less than clear
Did you read any news on that?
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
Troll turds, everywhere. :sigh:
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Russia has them on the run? :sigh: Do you actually have any evidence (I'm disinclined to count Russian news outlets!) bearing in mind that the first Russian attacks somehow managed to miss IS targets altogether and hit Turkmen settlements instead. There's certainly a lot of people running when Russian aircraft come into Syria but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated and the motives for the attacks less than clear it's not necessarily the right people or for the right reasons. Turkey certainly has a lot to answer for in its relationship with IS but its being pissed off with Russia is a whole other can of worms.
Member 9082365 wrote:
but given that Russian targeting technology is outdated
This is not true from more than a decade. GPS bombs, targeting systems on Su-24 that can make pinpoint hits with "dumb" bombs within CEP of few meters. Naval and air lunched cruise missiles that hits their targets from 3000 miles. Only US is ahead of Russians in this area. So this stereotype is a little outdated.
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
I don't know what Turkey is doing. Ambushing and killing Russian bomber for revenge and then hiding behind NATO's back is not a good thing to do. Not at all. What's next? Sinking China's frigate?
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I don't know what Turkey is doing. Ambushing and killing Russian bomber for revenge and then hiding behind NATO's back is not a good thing to do. Not at all. What's next? Sinking China's frigate?
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The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of shit. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
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The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of shit. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
All good, but they got these big nukes, you are obviously not aware of. And believe me, Turkey is not our friend as well. They despise us almost as much as Russians do. And I don't want them to drag us into a war with a nuclear power ruled from a semi-dictator, because their ambitions to grab a chunk from another country.
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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All good, but they got these big nukes, you are obviously not aware of. And believe me, Turkey is not our friend as well. They despise us almost as much as Russians do. And I don't want them to drag us into a war with a nuclear power ruled from a semi-dictator, because their ambitions to grab a chunk from another country.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
you are obviously not aware of
I am well aware.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
No, but they were traitors. A terrorist is an entirely different breed; his purpose is first and foremost to terrorize.
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Troll turds, everywhere. :sigh:
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The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of shit. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
Slacker007 wrote:
The Russian government/military is not our friend. Has never been our friend. Will never be our friend. So, I don't care if Turkey shot down one of their jets. Putin is full of sh*t. Every word out of his mouth, smells like elephant farts.
:thumbsup: What is happening on the World stage now reminds me very much of the lead-up to WW2 and the appeasement of Hitler.
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All good, but they got these big nukes, you are obviously not aware of. And believe me, Turkey is not our friend as well. They despise us almost as much as Russians do. And I don't want them to drag us into a war with a nuclear power ruled from a semi-dictator, because their ambitions to grab a chunk from another country.
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Russia has bombed 1000 trucks carrying oil from ISIS oil platforms in Syria back to Turkey in the last week and then we see that Turkey shoots down a Russian fighter that it seem did not even enter its air-space. Turkey knew Russia was not attacking it and was fighting ISIS along the border and too me it looks like Turkey got upset with Russia for blocking its cheap oil imports. See https://www.rt.com/news/323373-ankara-defends-isis-medvedev/[^] The U.S has said it has been fighting ISIS for two years inside Syria but got no where and Russia has them on the run after just one month and now we hear that the U.S gives the ISIS oil convoys a 45 minuite warning before it bombs them and thats only after being shamed into bombing them by a growing public anger. Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels" that cannot be very moderate when they all run off with guns we gave them and join ISIS
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Dr Gadgit wrote:
Don't even get me started on this new breed of terrorists that they call "Moderate Rebels"
So.. Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists? :rolleyes:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then. For example only a few decades ago Homosexuals were classed as Sexual Criminals on a par with rapists and paedophilles. Thankfully the world has evolved since then. The reason the Americans/British who rebelled are not seen as terrorists is because they won. To give it a British perspective, if Guy Fawkes had been successful, Nov 4th would be a Public Holiday where we would all feast on luxury food whilst receiving presents from our loved ones. Instead we stand in freezing cold rain watching shitty fireworks when we might aswell set fire to our wallet and toss it over the garden shed to achieve the same effect.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Che Guevarra would be a terrorist? Let's take a more rediculous example; the Americans revolted against the British. That means they "rebelled". Are you saying those were terrorists?
Yes. They would have been classed as terrorists in those times. But the word, like the world, has evolved since then. For example only a few decades ago Homosexuals were classed as Sexual Criminals on a par with rapists and paedophilles. Thankfully the world has evolved since then. The reason the Americans/British who rebelled are not seen as terrorists is because they won. To give it a British perspective, if Guy Fawkes had been successful, Nov 4th would be a Public Holiday where we would all feast on luxury food whilst receiving presents from our loved ones. Instead we stand in freezing cold rain watching shitty fireworks when we might aswell set fire to our wallet and toss it over the garden shed to achieve the same effect.
PompeyThree wrote:
But the word, like the world, has evolved since then.
Yes, it has. We industrialized genodicde. People have not become morally superiour compared to man living a few years ago.
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Deyan Georgiev wrote:
semi-dic
:laugh: :laugh: Sorry, I know I'm juvenillelle but you just said
Deyan Georgiev wrote:
semi-dic
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
You may have as match laugh as you wish, but when the nuclear bombs start falling, I'm the one that will have the last laugh :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Oh, wait...
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Yes Russia said all that stuff, so it must be true. I see no reason why they would lie. None what-so-ever.
This is one of the rare cases they don't lie. Russian pilots were shot down for bombing Turkish insurgents in Syria(and yes, they had it coming). That's why the pilot was shot dead after he bail out. Simple revenge. What concerns me is that Turkey - also a dictatorship, is a NATO member. Actually the only dictatorship in the alliance.And we can see the result.
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