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What to do? What to do?

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Trial by combat. Nominate two (preferably pretty useless) colleagues as a Champion for the two methods, give them each a knife and the survivor is the one you use. Simples!

    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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    R Giskard Reventlov
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    Perfect. :thumbsup:

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    • A Amarnath S

      IMHO, don't ask others opinions*; they will make your decision-making even harder. On your own, take a firm decision, and just accelerate towards completion. * between two nearly equally good choices.

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      R Giskard Reventlov
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      I'm not really being very serious - I'm waiting for VS2015 to install on my freshly minted windows 10 installation. I'll probably go with WebForms as the application will be grid-heavy and it will save me a lot of time. Or maybe MVC... Hmmm... :)

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      • P Pete OHanlon

        If it were me, I'd use the EAN stack of Node.js with whatever data source you're expecting.

        This space for rent

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        Wash your mouth out! :)

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          Wash your mouth out! :)

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          Pete OHanlon
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          It's fast and cheap. Just the way you like it ;)

          This space for rent

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          • R R Giskard Reventlov

            Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            As there is no details... Take a part of the project definitions (like login page and +1) and do it in both...Go with the one feels better...

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

            "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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            • R R Giskard Reventlov

              Nish Nishant wrote:

              Certainly the more popular choice for new projects.

              Ys, but is it the right choice? My brain is about to asplode... :-)

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              Nish Nishant
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              Using ASP.NET MVC encourages better top level design and better coding practices. So I'd go with that just for those reasons.

              Regards, Nish


              Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Trial by combat. Nominate two (preferably pretty useless) colleagues as a Champion for the two methods, give them each a knife and the survivor is the one you use. Simples!

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                You forgot to have an augur on site, so he can examine the entrails (presumably of the loser...) for bad omens :)

                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                • D Daniel Pfeffer

                  You forgot to have an augur on site, so he can examine the entrails (presumably of the loser...) for bad omens :)

                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                  OriginalGriff
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                  Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                  presumably of the loser

                  Well, the winner is going to object. And he has a knife... :laugh:

                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                  "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    As there is no details... Take a part of the project definitions (like login page and +1) and do it in both...Go with the one feels better...

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                    R Giskard Reventlov
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                    The details were seen in the leftovers of my bacon and egg breakfast... (I'm not being at all serious - VS2015 is still installing - I'm bored).

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                    • N Nish Nishant

                      Using ASP.NET MVC encourages better top level design and better coding practices. So I'd go with that just for those reasons.

                      Regards, Nish


                      Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                      R Giskard Reventlov
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                      Nish Nishant wrote:

                      Using ASP.NET MVC encourages better top level design and better coding practices.

                      I thought mvc was just an april fool's joke that got out of hand...

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                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                        Nish Nishant wrote:

                        Using ASP.NET MVC encourages better top level design and better coding practices.

                        I thought mvc was just an april fool's joke that got out of hand...

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                        Nish Nishant
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                        You are thinking of J#.

                        Regards, Nish


                        Website: www.voidnish.com Blog: voidnish.wordpress.com

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                          Lost User
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                          Doesn't matter. The server side is there just to push some JSON around. I would be much more concerned with the client side JS framework.

                          it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.

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                          • R R Giskard Reventlov

                            Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                            I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc.

                            Neither. :) Seriously, I don't use either to write websites, and no, I don't use Rails or Python or all that cruft. I simply find it easier, more fun, and frankly better, to roll my own. Given that I now have a very functional package for writing websites, I'm quite happy. Marc

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                            • R R Giskard Reventlov

                              Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                              DaveAuld
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                              I know the feeling! I have been thinking of starting a couple of new projects lately and initially was going to do in Asp.net MVC, but have also been considering doing end to end javascript so started looking at a million different libraries and frameworks and then just got lost in the mire....... At the moment I'm teetering on Meteor[^]........but sure it will scare me away like everything else has :doh: That's what happens when you stop tinkering, change platform's, change company and then top it off and change countries! Work.....it just gets in the way of things :)

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                              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                Nish Nishant wrote:

                                Certainly the more popular choice for new projects.

                                Ys, but is it the right choice? My brain is about to asplode... :-)

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                                Manfred Rudolf Bihy
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                                If your brain is about to assplode, you definitely should stop thinking with your derriér. ;P

                                "I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"

                                Ron White, Comedian

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                                  R. Giskard Reventlov wrote:

                                  I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc.

                                  Neither. :) Seriously, I don't use either to write websites, and no, I don't use Rails or Python or all that cruft. I simply find it easier, more fun, and frankly better, to roll my own. Given that I now have a very functional package for writing websites, I'm quite happy. Marc

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                                  ScottM1
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                                  This might be a daft question but how did you go about rolling your own?

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                                  • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                    Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                                    EbenRoux
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                                    My current take on web-site development is using a MVC JavaScript library with a C# Web-Api back-end. I am using CanJS currently and we are using Ember at work although I am pushing to get that replaced with CanJS.

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                                    • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                      Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                                      Roger165
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                                      Went thru the same struggle then decided on Laravel. Was it the right choice so far I think so. I got tired of starting an application and then not be able to figure out where to go from there. I been using Microsoft products since 1989 and I had enough with the help getting worst. I was looking forward 5 years and wanting to invest my time in learning something that would bring back joy in coding.

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                                      • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                        Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                                        Kirk 10389821
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                                        How about you do it both ways, and then write an article explaining the pros and cons?

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                                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                                          Am about to hit the button to start a new web project. I simply can't decide whether I should use webforms or mvc. They both have their pros and cons. Going to have to be a coin toss - unless anyone has a more interesting way to decide... Well, have you??? :)

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                                          James VT
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                                          I would say if it's a quick-and-dirty project that you just want done and off your plate, use WebForms, but if you enjoy the intricacies of CSS/HTML or feel like you want more practice with them, go with MVC. I faced a similar dilemma for an overtime submission system, and almost went with WebForms for the drag-and-drop quickness, but going with MVC gave me some good practice with CSS and layout, plus as I went along I found myself incorporating more and more Javascript, to the point where the project is almost all client-based, with lots of Ajax calls to web services. MVC has made it easy to gradually incorporate pieces as I go along, like Knockout, Bootstrap, Q (for asynchronous, promise-based calls). I've learned a huge amount about Javascript-based development, and I don't think it would've been as easy had I gone the WebForms route. When I first began developing it with MVC, it was all server-based, with page submissions to the server for every save, and it worked fine, and probably would've been the same had I gone with WebForms, but then I started getting hit with a lot of "hey, it would be really cool if..." mid-stream requests, and that model started showing its limitations, especially when they wanted lots more logic in the client controls, which is where the declarative bindings of Knockout and Ajax calls really proved useful. I'm sure you can incorporate many of these same things with WebForms, but I don't think it was designed for you to delve into the HTML this much. It's like putting snow tires and a scoop on your Honda Accord to make it a snowplow--you can do it, but it's a completely different task than it was designed for. With MVC you're already waist-deep in the HTML so it encourages you to tinker with it.

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